Commodore Revival

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By pitpan

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24-06-2004, 09:13

Looking at eBay, the USB Cartridge Reader costs almost the same than a full featured MSX2+ computer. If this is the MSX Revival, I will stick to the original products: cheaper and nicer.

By robertwilting

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24-06-2004, 10:29

I thought SEGA also had some sale system for there old games.
So it's just not that they stole the whole idea from project EGG.

By Bart

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24-06-2004, 11:17

PitPan that makes no sense at all Wink Ebay sellers are people like you and me who have nothing to do with the MSX Association. How would you blame MSX Association for high prices people ask for their 2nd hand hardware on Ebay? (btw, I can't find any USB Game Readers on Ebay, could you pass a link?)

Robert, I don't think EGG is the first project at all. Sega comes closer to being the first indeed.

By snout

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24-06-2004, 12:52

Marat Fayzullin distributes fMSX 2.7, a highly inferior MSX emulator, for $35 whilst not even owning the copyrights of the MSX System ROMs, not adding extra software to it. How come you complain about Project EGG and not about Marat? On eBay SD-Snatcher costs more than a full featured MSX2+ computer as well. How come you complain about everything related to the MSX Revival, Pitpan?

Project EGG have found a legal solution to the problem we are/were all facing: One day all MSX computers will not function anymore, one day all MSX software might be forgotten. Thanks to Project EGG, MSX Association and their partners the MSX software lives on on other platforms. I don't mind the legally entitled copyright-holders are earning a little money with that. It pleasantly surprises me to see that companies like Microcabin, Falcom, Aiky, Game Arts etc. are still interested in MSX!

As I have said so often before, you don't HAVE to buy games at EGG, you don't HAVE to buy the MSX Game Reader, you don't HAVE to buy the MSX Magazines. But at least they ARE available in 2004. More and more companies are showing they are interested in MSX again. I admit that the current projects aren't interesting for every MSX user, but they are profitable and succesful, which means it is just a matter of time until new projects appear, new companies join, in other words: other projects related to MSX will appear, and some might even be liked by you. And even if you still don't like those new projects, nobody is forcing you to support those projects, you are still allowed to use your MSX1 as much as you like. I really don't see the problem here.

By pitpan

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24-06-2004, 14:14

...and as soon as the profits start to vanish, all this "so interested in the MSX" companies will move on to another topic, forgetting everything about MSX, as they did in the past.

You do not share my opinions, so, please do not pretend that I should share yours. This is an open forum, isn't it? Well: Revival -in the way it is being done- does not fit my expectatives. Nothing planned for Europe yet. No sites in english. No information. Nothing like a real MSX. No new MSX software published yet. The amateur community has beaten all that: new hardware, new software, lots of projects and worldwide. Revival cannot stand such comparison.

By pitpan

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24-06-2004, 14:17

And about Marat, his emulator is sold only for Windows platform. You can download all the source code, like ASCII people did and pretend to sell it without a license. Finally, they made an agreement with Marat. By the way, Marat does not intend to have the flame of truth in his hand, like others do.

I do not understand MRC position in all this, seriously. It sounds many times so interested and there are a lot of incongruences.

By Bart

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24-06-2004, 14:38

You do not share my opinions, so, please do not pretend that I should share yours.

No one does PitPan, no one does.

By snout

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24-06-2004, 14:48

I'm not pretending you should share my opinions, but I think it should be possible to discuss our difference in opinion(s). That's what a forum is meant for. So if you express an opinion on the MRC forums, you can expect people to agree or disagree with you.

How are you so sure there is nothing planned for Europe yet? I agree that none of the products that have come available thanks to the MSX Revival are (legally) available outside of Japan, but that doesn't mean there are no plans to introduce products outside of Japan, does it? I agree with you that most of the MSX Revival products are more interesting to people who are not actively using MSX computers (anymore).

MSX Association have expressed more than once that their intention is to release their products outside of Japan as well, but doing that takes a lot of time. Microsoft is getting in the way, translation is not as simple as it seems and there could be quite some money involved. Yokoi once explained the MSX Association's approach as 'as a cow'. Step by step, slowly, they work to the point where they want to be. On every step they eveluate if they are going the right direction, if they are not losing money, etc. etc. etc. This prevents the MSX Association from going bankrupt. I think, with a market as small and difficult as the MSX-market, it's the only right way to go at the moment.

About Marat Fayzullin: ASCII did not sell MSXPLAYer without a license. MRC got a leaked beta-version of the PLAYer and published it on msx.org, while Marat and MSX Association were still negotiating about fMSX. ASCII did nothing wrong, we did.

You of all people should know there is new, official, MSX Software coming up: (e.g.) Guru Logic for MSX by Aiky. What makes you so sure there aren't any other titles planned? Or that this game will only be released in Japan? Once again, it takes time to develop software for MSX. You can't expect new software to be released a day after companies regained their interest in MSX.

I agree though that the interest of many companies in MSX will be lost as soon as they won't gain any money with it anymore. But that is real life. Every company does that. I'll tell you a secret: many of the amateurs who released software or hardware for MSX in the 90s made huge piles of money with it, and they quit the scene when they started to make less money. Some people are still making quite a lot of money with MSX. Have a look on Ebay and you'll see what I mean.

The 'MRC Position in all of this' is simple. Being negative isn't getting us anywhere, so therefor we are positive about all new initiatives related to MSX. Commercial and non-commercial. Revival and non-revival. To me, personally, the ideas behind the One Chip MSX are very interesting, as it could potentially become a 'modern MSX'.

What I'm trying to say is: you might think I'm naive, having this much 'faith' in the MSX Revival. But I base that 'faith' on personal experiences (attending lectures of Nishi, meeting Nishi at MSX Association HQ, being the projectmanager of Guru Logic). So far the MSX Revival has only surprised me in a positive way. From the start, I never even thought they would get this far. The 'overseas'-plans are still there and the one-chip plans are still there as well. I think it's just a matter of time until we hear more about both of them. I think it's very naive to be so negative about something you know so little about. First get your facts straight, then draw your conclusions please.

By tfh

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24-06-2004, 15:59

How do you mean M$ is getting in the way? Everyone is telling me M$ only hac (C) on the MSX Basic Interperter. It shouldn't be too hard to make a compatible basic to distribute with new MSX(-emulators).
Or has M$ a bigger hand in all this?

By snout

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24-06-2004, 17:21

If I knew those kind of details MRC would already have reported about it Tongue

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