Commodore Revival

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By pitpan

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24-06-2004, 19:58

None of the most succesful MSX games make use of the BASIC part, they just use the BIOS. So, if ASCII is (or was) the legally entitled owner, as it could be read in the MSX BIOS listings, then why wasn't it distributed?

If you use the MSX PLAYER + a ROM game, the BASIC part does not need to be loaded. I think that it is a poor excuse to not afford a world-wide distribution of it. Again, it is only my opinion, and only Nishi knows the true about this.

By tfh

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24-06-2004, 20:43

If I knew those kind of details MRC would already have reported about it TongueIt's the reason I still believe the M in MSX stands for M$... Wink
But, then again. That is just my opinion Smile

By sunrise

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24-06-2004, 21:25


How are you so sure there is nothing planned for Europe yet? I agree that none of the products that have come available thanks to the MSX Revival are (legally) available outside of Japan, but that doesn't mean there are no plans to introduce products outside of Japan, does it? I agree with you that most of the MSX Revival products are more interesting to people who are not actively using MSX computers (anymore).

I think that's not quite correct. Since we are allowed to show the Ese- msx2 board, which is the basic for the all in one chip. And second the permission to distribute the Gamereader, a little different but according to almost exactly to same chipset.
So Pitpan, as you probably know we visit from time to time the Madrid-fair, so you can see for yourself what it is all about. There is also a new update for the all in one chip recently.
However, what I see in the over-all discussion is that MSX Revival is pretended to be be only japanese. I think this is wrong. everyone contributes on its way to the Revival !!

By Bart

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24-06-2004, 21:47

Hmz Rob, I think you misunderstood Snout or misread or something Smile What is not "quite correct"? Your reply does not answer nor discuss the lines you quote.

Anyway, you're right that everyone contributes in his own way! PitPan also contributes to a MSX revival by creating new software for MSX1, maybe he doesn't see it like that himself though Smile

By sunrise

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24-06-2004, 21:55

The meaning of it was to refer to the availability of products (legally ) outside Japan.
Misunderstood no, perhaps a little premature since the availabilty comes is perhaps a better formulated, since the this gamereader comes.
And since pitpan lives in spain , he can visit a madrid fair, then he can see what the gamereader is, what the all in one chip is etc.
That was my intention Bart , oh and besides Project EGG is cheaper than 20 euro.
Between 700 and 1250 yen a game is max 10 euro.

By [D-Tail]

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26-06-2004, 10:46

Hmmzzz... IIRC you should divide the Yen price with 100, to obtain the price in Euros. So that makes the maximum price €12,50... Minor [D-Tail], I guess Wink

By [D-Tail]

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26-06-2004, 10:49

Hmz Rob, I think you misunderstood Snout or misread or something Smile What is not "quite correct"? Your reply does not answer nor discuss the lines you quote.

Anyway, you're right that everyone contributes in his own way! PitPan also contributes to a MSX revival by creating new software for MSX1, maybe he doesn't see it like that himself though Smile
Bart, would you really say that the MSX Revival was there all along since 1994 or so? I don't get what you're trying to say... Because the revival's in the running since 2K1, you'd say, that anything made for/related to MSX since that year is contributing to the revival? I don't think so...

I really think the revival's still too Japanese. And that's a bad thing, 'cause I don't read Japanese.

By wolf_

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26-06-2004, 11:02

Just do your own revival, don't wait on the Japanese. If someday the two somehow match, well that's fine then, but until then, do your own revival.

For me the biggest aspect of a revival is new USEFUL hardware for development, and cross-development (dunno if cross-development is a taboo.. Smile ).

maybe a poll-idea ?

Crossdevelopment is
[1] Great
[2] Evil

By sunrise

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26-06-2004, 11:52

Teletext pages 543/544 gives the exact rates as regards the yen/euro
I multiply by 0.8 normally , the actual rate is 0.8181
But still a lot cheaper as 20 euro !

By Bart

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30-06-2004, 17:05

Hmz Rob, I think you misunderstood Snout or misread or something Smile What is not "quite correct"? Your reply does not answer nor discuss the lines you quote.

Anyway, you're right that everyone contributes in his own way! PitPan also contributes to a MSX revival by creating new software for MSX1, maybe he doesn't see it like that himself though Smile
Bart, would you really say that the MSX Revival was there all along since 1994 or so? I don't get what you're trying to say... Because the revival's in the running since 2K1, you'd say, that anything made for/related to MSX since that year is contributing to the revival? I don't think so...

I really think the revival's still too Japanese. And that's a bad thing, 'cause I don't read Japanese.

Read: "contributes to a MSX revival" I didn't mention the MSX Revival. When talking about the MSX Revival, people tend to mean the revival taking place mainly in Japan. I was talking about MSX revival generally. This leaves room for everyone's own "revival" and the possibility that in the end we all are enjoying the same global revival!

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