Commodore Revival

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By wolf_

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02-07-2004, 13:00

uh .. if a c64 costs 450E in the shop.. well, that doesn't mean that commodore can put 450E in their pocket for each sold C64, does it? Smile

subtract some VAT .. -> 350 euro .. subtract the profit for the shop... 30% prolly ... ~ -> 250 euro .. perhaps some 30% profit for commodore .. -> 75 euro for each sold C64. (and I prolly forgot the VAT for Commodore Smile )

Now, calc what the research costs.. and all the employees ..

By POISONIC

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02-07-2004, 13:01

ok ok ok ..... grrr LOL

By POISONIC

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02-07-2004, 13:03

€1.275.000.000 Smile

By Sonic_aka_T

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02-07-2004, 14:16

Poisonic's got a point you know... A figure of about 1.5 billion dollars is a lot of cash to 'misplace', especially considering we're talking about the 80's. I don't think US$ 88 is an unreasonable amount of profit to assume. That would be a profit margin of a little under 20% of the retail value, sounds about right. And remember that the VAT amount of the retail price includes all the VAT previously paid, which means that commodore doesn't pay any VAT, the consumer does. But, back to the point Poisonic was making, how the hell does a company that probably had a gross profit of US$ 1.500.000.000,- in the 80's! (yes, I know this is over a number of years) manage to go bankrupt in such a spectacular way. Quite impressive. MSX didn't have anything near those sales figures, and even then it was divided over a large amount of manufacturers and somehow managed to outlive commodore...

By snout

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02-07-2004, 14:19

TFH: Do you have any idea how much attention the MSX revival got in the Japanese media? How many bookstores were selling the MSX Magazines at the most important hotspots of their shops? I've been there during the release of the second MSX Magazine and was very impressed with what I saw. I think that if similar things will happen in Europe, MSX will get more media coverage in Europe as well.
I am of course talking about European/Western media. Everyhthing that is happening in Japan is all fine and stuff, but pretty much useless to most people here on this side of the world.

What I was trying to point out is that the Commodore revival is most probably getting very little attention in the Japanese media. It's exactly the same situation, but then the other way around.

By tfh

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02-07-2004, 16:47

TFH: Do you have any idea how much attention the MSX revival got in the Japanese media? How many bookstores were selling the MSX Magazines at the most important hotspots of their shops? I've been there during the release of the second MSX Magazine and was very impressed with what I saw. I think that if similar things will happen in Europe, MSX will get more media coverage in Europe as well.
I am of course talking about European/Western media. Everyhthing that is happening in Japan is all fine and stuff, but pretty much useless to most people here on this side of the world.

What I was trying to point out is that the Commodore revival is most probably getting very little attention in the Japanese media. It's exactly the same situation, but then the other way around.

That is all nice and stuff, but I live in Europe Smile

By Latok

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02-07-2004, 16:53

And I live on the 3d planet from the sun.

By snout

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02-07-2004, 17:24

TFH, you stated Commodore was getting a lot more attention in the media than MSX. It felt to me that you were implying that the Commodore Revival was/is more succesful than the MSX Revival for that reason. I proved you wrong and explained why. The way the Commodore revival gets attention in the Japanese media is similar to the way the MSX revival gets attention in European media, which is perfectly understandable. Besides, you can hardly call releasing 20GB MP3 players with the name 'Vic-20' a Commodore revival, can you? At the moment, the MSX Revival is situated in Japan and not in Europe which is why European media report little about it. That situation might change in the future, though.

Of course it would be great to get more MSX in the media in Europe and other non-Japanese countries (we started the MSX in the Media Challenge for a reason, you know Tongue), but even without the MSX Revival in Europe we can get a lot of media attention for MSX, I'm sure of that.

By [D-Tail]

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03-07-2004, 00:51

That situation might change in the future, though.... And that's what I dislike about it: the 'might'. Quit the 'might'.

By snout

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03-07-2004, 00:53

Okay, it will change in the future! Smile

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