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By anonymous

incognito ergo sum (109)

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09-07-2003, 15:22

Remember that there are serious MSX-revival efforts in progress, in particular in Japan (amongst others EGG), and those will if successful probably spread to Europe aswell. Sure, we don't have those here yet, and we don't have an assurance that will be the case in the future, but the fact is that you're putting this software on an internet-site, which can also be accessed by Japanese. Thus you are hurting commercial efforts towards MSX with your site.
It's even more direct than that. If old software is massively being copied somewhere, any commercial effort there will fail. So it won't happen.
By distributing illegal software you are effectively killing off the possibility of any future commercial success.

Think of this: by Dutch law, making a copy isn't illegal. The one providing you with that copy however, is.
Sorry, but it's not that easy.
You are entitled to make a BACK-UP copy of something you buy. You (and only you) can only use either the back-up or the original at the same time. When you sell the original you have to destroy the back-up.

If I download something, it isn't particularly illegal, and especially if it is not available locally it can be justified.It is illegal and it can't be justified. You can't talk right what is crooked.

By Argon

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09-07-2003, 15:36

Afterall, The Maze of Galious and Road Fighter were created for NES too.

For real ???
Damn, I had no idea Smile
As a real MoG-fan, it is as of now my duty to buy a NES with MoG for NES Smile Smile Smile

Kris.

By Grauw

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09-07-2003, 15:47

>>Think of this: by Dutch law, making a copy isn't illegal. The one providing you with that copy however, is.<<

Sorry, but it's not that easy.
You are entitled to make a BACK-UP copy of something you buy. You (and only you) can only use either the back-up or the original at the same time. When you sell the original you have to destroy the back-up.
Nope, it is not only limited to back-ups. You are allowed to make a copy of a product for personal use, *even though the original you copy it from is not yours*.

This includes for example borrowing sheet music at your local library and copying a number of pages of it. Even the entire work. This is also the reason why there's an additional tax on CD-recordables, cassette tapes and other recordable media, and since recently on DVD-recordables aswell, to somewhat compensate for the effects of this law.

Probably also the reason why single individuals are not prosecuted for downloading MP3's, for instance. After all, if it were possible, I bet the music industry would do a couple of raids on regular basis solely for the 'shock effect', to scare people off. However the only raid I heard of recently was one where a couple of students had set up their own peer to peer network for (local) distribution purposes only. That ofcourse clearly violates the copyright laws.

~Grauw

By Grauw

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09-07-2003, 15:54

I'll give you a quote from the site of the Dutch foundation Thuiskopie ("home copy"):

"Iedereen mag, voor strikt persoonlijk gebruik, een kopie maken van bijvoorbeeld een cd, een videoband of een televisieprogramma. Zolang als de kopie bestemd is voor eigen oefening, studie of gebruik, is het niet nodig om toestemming te vragen aan de rechthebbenden. De kopie moet wel door de gebruiker zelf zijn gemaakt. Verkopen of verhuren van de kopie mag niet zonder toestemming."

or, in English:

"Everyone is, for strictly personal use, allowed to make a copy of for example a cd, a videotape or a television program. As long as the copy is meant for personal practice, study or use, it isn't nessecary to request permission from the copyright holders. The copy however must be made by the user himself. Selling or hiring the copy is not allowed without permission."

As far as I know, similar laws are also present in other countries.

~Grauw

By anonymous

incognito ergo sum (109)

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09-07-2003, 16:30

Hmz.. they must've changed that law in the last 15 or so years... Or I have been conf00sed all that time Tongue
Maybe Latok can shed some light on this? (Given that he studied law ^_^)

By snout

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09-07-2003, 18:47

Ok. About MSX revival project. May be I haven’t followed close enough all the information published on MRC, so if I'm mistaken just correct me:

Her come the corrections:

The last big MSX developments (basically Konami and other major game industries) were done 10 or 15 years ago. That is an eternity in computer entertainment.

Agreed

So: what's the point in reintroducing MSX? -Purely a commercial and marketing manoeuvre; trying to get the enthusiastic people that has a good opinion of the word “MSX” but what ever they do now, it won’t be no where near what we all have in mind for a MSX computer.

Of course the one-chip-computer will be more than a machine with MSX specifications. But as far as I know, there is currently no single computer system around that has the open documentation, strict standardization and easy of use/development the MSX has. The new one-chip computer will be built on these principles. I'm hoping it will have the 'MSX Feeling' in it.

Second, you write as if you think the one-chip MSX is going to be nothing more but a simple project. Please, DO browse our news archive and find out that what makes this new MSX interesting is the combination of several projects like Wireless Radio Internet, Universal Network Language, FPGA, extremely low price etc. etc. etc. In many of these plans, I recognize the MSX spirit.

But I am not making nor going to make any profit from it, so honestly I don’t feel guilty about it.

Breaking the law doesn't always mean you're making money.

As for the MRC policy on remakes: We have reported about them in the past, and intend to report about them in the future as well.

By FiXato

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09-07-2003, 21:53

If I download something, it isn't particularly illegal,
You are contradicting yourself there Grauw...

I'll give you a quote from the site of the Dutch foundation Thuiskopie ("home copy"):
[..]
"The copy however must be made by the user himself."
[..]
~Grauw

So if the copy you have comes from kazaa, dcc, www or whatever, YOU STILL CAN'T HAVE IT...
so downloading STILL is 'particularly illegal'...

By anonymous

incognito ergo sum (109)

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09-07-2003, 22:00

Very perspicacious, msxxpress Smile

By shaiwa

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09-07-2003, 22:27

Glad i've got the MCCM Millennium disc's...
So i still can play those great games legal oO

Oh GuyveR800, the last time a saw an original complete version of sd snatcher on
E-bay they asked a little fortune... it's probably worth it but i'm no milionaire Crying

By Grauw

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10-07-2003, 03:29

"The copy however must be made by the user himself."

So if the copy you have comes from kazaa, dcc, www or whatever, YOU STILL CAN'T HAVE IT... so downloading STILL is 'particularly illegal'...

Uh... downloading a file making a copy aswell. Just from a different computer... The person offering the file for download is at err, and has illegal content on his site, can get in trouble for that. I however, if I download, can not, because the law allows it.

If I, say, would telnet/ssh to a computer of a friend of mine, who 'happens to have' the original disk of say, Psycho World in his diskdrive, and I would create an image of that and upload it to my own FTP server, would you consider that to fulfill the "the copy however must be made by the user himself" requirement? Yes. Well then, I can tell you, downloading a file from a web site is basically the same process, though simplified and more automated. But still what you are doing is, you are giving your computer the instruction to copy a file from somewhere onto your own computer.

By the way, maybe you didn't notice, but it doesn't say anywhere that the original you copy it from must be an original (it can be a copy of a copy), and neither does it say the end result needs to be put on the same medium (so converting to mp3 is no problem either).

~Grauw

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