Ys VI Ark Of Napishtim

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By MrRudi

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16-07-2003, 12:57

>>Falcom should come up with something new? How about Final Fantasy 12? And look at how popular that series is.
Sequels aren't bad per se.<<

I agree, but nowadays we get a FIFA and a Final Fantasy every year. Of course EA and Square are totally right as they sell shedloads of these franchises. And perhaps FF12 is great, but to some point I think that has to do with the fact that the customers want to get what they expect; perhaps they don't want anything new. Soit.

I wish I got a Final Fantasy each year, but it's more like three years. But yes, in this particular case I don't care about new installments, since I like them, they always change some stuff that makes it different, and a complete new cast and story. And the story is what an RPG is about. So bring em on! (and FIFA sucks big time!)

Nintendo are known for their originality, but strictly speaking they basically release their portfolio (Mario, Kart, Zelda, StarFox) over and over again. Although I like their interpertation of Pac Man.

You already mentioned Pacman, and how about Pikmin? That was new. Nintendo is different in the way that they don't create the same game over and over again, sure they keep using Mario and Starfox, but they are used in new games, besides some repetitive titles. But Mario Sunshine is no Mario 64. Luigi's Mansion is not Super Mario Bros. Starfox Adventures is nothing like the original Starfox.

Final words for now: the YS series were great when they came out in the 80's but now it's a seen-it-done-it. However, this doesn't mean you shouldn't enjoy the game.

I am not so sure, compared to the larger more well-known RPG's such as Final Fantasy, Suikoden and Star ocean the Ys games have some unique touches to them, when I played Ys 1&2 Complete I enjoyed it, and not only because of nostalgia. The Real-Time combat, the Affection system, the graphical equipment/inventory versus text, the completely unique music style (for an RPG), the drawings instead of renders (ok Suikoden has that too)...imho there should be more of these games Smile although I never understood why they are making them for PC.

BTW, one shouldn't stick to pc if one likes games. Get a console.

Amen to that brother!

By Grauw

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16-07-2003, 13:19

I agree, but nowadays we get a FIFA and a Final Fantasy every year. Of course EA and Square are totally right as they sell shedloads of these franchises. And perhaps FF12 is great, but to some point I think that has to do with the fact that the customers want to get what they expect; perhaps they don't want anything new. Soit.

Mwa. If you look at the game, the looks are entirely different from what it used to be (and really pretty at that, wow!). It is set in the same universe, sure, but I don't see a real problem in that. Why would a 'new universe' be so nessecary, there are plenty of other games which have that, and aren't like, 99% of all books about life on earth? And isn't there a lot to tell about our planet? Even if you focus on for instance Europe's middle ages, there are loads of stories.

Also, the gameplay has probably still elements of the earlier games, but I think that's part of the Ys 'feeling' and quite unique, so it would be a shame if that would get lost. And although a next installment in a series will have some 'limitations' because it must still be a bit like the previous games (Final Fantasy is NOT a good example for the 'universe' thingie because every part is an entirely new story Smile, but the game controls remain relatively similar among every installment), there's nothing stopping them from changing/improving certain aspects.

And uh, more from a series is imho usually great Smile. I always love it when a new book of Robert Jordan's the Wheel of Time comes out, or if an anime series gets a second season.

BTW, one shouldn't stick to pc if one likes games. Get a console.

Yeah, I think so too Smile. But apparantly in Japan the PC is used for the same kind of gaming as consoles (which is not the case here). Anyways, with Ys I & 2 Eternal coming to the PS2 I think there's a reasonable chance they'll port this game to it aswell.

~Grauw

By Thom

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16-07-2003, 13:47


I wish I got a Final Fantasy each year, but it's more like three years. But yes, in this particular case I don't care about new installments, since I like them, they always change some stuff that makes it different, and a complete new cast and story. And the story is what an RPG is about. So bring em on! (and FIFA sucks big time!)

True. But do you honestly think FF is the Van Nistelrooy amongst the RPG's?


You already mentioned Pacman, and how about Pikmin? That was new. Nintendo is different in the way that they don't create the same game over and over again, sure they keep using Mario and Starfox, but they are used in new games, besides some repetitive titles. But Mario Sunshine is no Mario 64. Luigi's Mansion is not Super Mario Bros. Starfox Adventures is nothing like the original Starfox.

Can't comment on Pikmin as I haven't played it. I agree the new Mario's and the likes are different games than their prequels but still it's more smart use of its franchises than pure courageous innovation.

I'd really like to add that Super Mario Sunshine is utter shite.


Mwa. If you look at the game, the looks are entirely different from what it used to be (and really pretty at that, wow!). It is set in the same universe, sure, but I don't see a real problem in that. Why would a 'new universe' be so nessecary, there are plenty of other games which have that, and aren't like, 99% of all books about life on earth? And isn't there a lot to tell about our planet? Even if you focus on for instance Europe's middle ages, there are loads of stories.

Yes, visuals change, storylines are different, but If you put these aspects aside for a moment, what has truly been changed in terms of gameplay what hasn't been done before?

I have to admit: I don't like fantasy/Tolkien/Star Trek/magic. That's why I prefered games like ShenMue I & II (I don't understand really why most of you never mentioned this here, most of you are interested in Japan. ShenMue *breaths* Japan). Moreover, the SD Snatcher remake within the Shenmue engine... now that would be something.

By MrRudi

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16-07-2003, 15:54

True. But do you honestly think FF is the Van Nistelrooy amongst the RPG's?

No Xenosaga is...let's see...who made that, oh right..Square Wink and it was also a sequel. Best FF ever, FFVII...that's 7. The number after a title doesn't matter at all to me, as long as I enjoy playing it. If old ideas are well conceived, I don't mind the lack of new ideas.


Can't comment on Pikmin as I haven't played it. I agree the new Mario's and the likes are different games than their prequels but still it's more smart use of its franchises than pure courageous innovation.

Sure, but I think Nintendo has a better/smarter way of branding than most other companies. Like it or not, Mario is 100% pure game-IP not some funky cartoon character taken from TV like some games I worked on (powerrangers, Spongebob). In a world full of licensed shit, Nintendo stands out with quality games, and their own characters. I have trouble with seeing a Mario game as a 'branded' product, I don't call Ys 6 'branded' because Adol plays in it.

Yes, visuals change, storylines are different, but If you put these aspects aside for a moment, what has truly been changed in terms of gameplay what hasn't been done before?

Let's repeat the most important thing: what hasn't been done before?
Answer that and maybe we'll see some innovation some day. From what I can see, everything technically possible and commercially interesting has been done. Even the most innovative game of the last 5 years is probably a hybrid of 10 older games.

I have to admit: I don't like fantasy/Tolkien/Star Trek/magic. That's why I prefered games like ShenMue I & II (I don't understand really why most of you never mentioned this here, most of you are interested in Japan. ShenMue *breaths* Japan). Moreover, the SD Snatcher remake within the Shenmue engine... now that would be something.

Startrek looks a bit out of place there Big smile

But I love fantasy, like 90% of the RPG players like fantasy, that's why the Ys universe appeals to me, and Spira in Final Fantasy 10. ShenMue is a beautiful game by the way, but since I don't have a dreamcast I haven't played it that much, so it never got the chance to 'catch' me. Your last remark is kind of weird to me, what the hell does technology (the shenmue engine) have to do with anything? IOW: what is so special about shenmue's engine that other 3D engine's can't do?

By Thom

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16-07-2003, 16:17

Your last remark is kind of weird to me, what the hell does technology (the shenmue engine) have to do with anything? IOW: what is so special about shenmue's engine that other 3D engine's can't do?

I meant to say: SD Snatcher in 3D would be great. But not like Halo or any other FPS, it should be third person, like Shenmue.


Sure, but I think Nintendo has a better/smarter way of branding than most other companies. Like it or not, Mario is 100% pure game-IP not some funky cartoon character taken from TV like some games I worked on (powerrangers, Spongebob). In a world full of licensed shit, Nintendo stands out with quality games, and their own characters. I have trouble with seeing a Mario game as a 'branded' product, I don't call Ys 6 'branded' because Adol plays in it.

Valid points. Still, I think Nintendo should look further as at some point in time Mario will be worn out. I for one will make sure my future kids (?) won't like a fat plumber Tongue


Let's repeat the most important thing: what hasn't been done before?
Answer that and maybe we'll see some innovation some day. From what I can see, everything technically possible and commercially interesting has been done. Even the most innovative game of the last 5 years is probably a hybrid of 10 older games.

Although I've seen it briefly at the GameOn expo in Tilburg, Eye Toy looks fun, new and affordable to me. Inventing new genres is impossible, although some games however do stand out because of its stunning game dynamics. For example: Super Monkey Ball. Of course it's basically Marble Madness in 3D but having on the one hand a very simple essence combined with an enormous depth is sheer genious.


<Thom says Star Trek/Fantasy within one breath>
Startrek looks a bit out of place there

Well... most trekkies seem to like fantasy as well. And I know it because I studied Physics in Utrecht which means all your student colleagues don't like football.


ShenMue is a beautiful game by the way, but since I don't have a dreamcast I haven't played it that much, so it never got the chance to 'catch' me.

You really should. It's more than a game, it's an experience. Though some people compare it to watching drying paint. Borrow Jan-Lieuwe's. Now!


No Xenosaga is...let's see...who made that, oh right..Square and it was also a sequel. Best FF ever, FFVII...that's 7. The number after a title doesn't matter at all to me, as long as I enjoy playing it. If old ideas are well conceived, I don't mind the lack of new ideas.

YES! As long as you enjoy the game it's alright. Don't be bothered by reviews or bitter people like me Tongue (no sarcasm intended, I mean it!)

By 7th-son

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16-07-2003, 16:41

I always loved the Ys series, and i will enjoy playing Ys 6, Maybe it's an idea to make another side scrolling Ys (3), I liked that game alot, and it still had the Ys feeling, even though it was completely different.

As for SD Snatcher, 3D version is ok, but not a First person view, Keep the RPG style to it, like they did Baldurs Gate for example, and keep the encounters, then instead of shooting different parts, your allowed to shoot everywhere you like. Maybe with more than 1 Runner to play with, or an online version, so you could surround a robot/snatcher and even shoot it in the back, then it would be possible to put in alot more enemies in 1 battle too!!

But not a first or 3rd person view, that would really f*ck up the gameplay, but thats my opinion

By MrRudi

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16-07-2003, 16:55

Well basically Baldur's Gate is third person view too, and the third person is superman! But that's beside the point. I think a 3rd Person 3D look would work fine, like Shenmue or Metal Gear Solid.

I disagree on the Ys-III part though, it was a nice game, enjoyed it a lot, technologically advanced for MSX2, but I feel quite strong about how an RPG should look, and Ys-III wasn't it. A Platform game with adventure elements Smile

By anonymous

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16-07-2003, 18:16

Ys III RULEZ!!! Tongue

Still, I think Nintendo should look further as at some point in time Mario will be worn out. I for one will make sure my future kids (?) won't like a fat plumber Tongue
Which is probably why they relatively recently created Wario, gave Luigi his own game, and also keep using Kirby and Link/Zelda, Donkey Kong... etc... Nintendo has so many great characters, who needs something new?
Really, in these times of 80% shit games coming out, I'm glad to have bought a 'Cube so I can enjoy Nintendo's excellent games.
Pikmin was great and the new Zelda, ... I'll use the word 'magical' for it.
Mario Sunshine is great too, although it's a lot easier than Mario 64 the gameplay is very smooth. I just hope they're not going to make Mario 128 even easier, like was suggested!

If you can't see the -sometimes very small, sometimes huge- innovation Nintendo brings into their games, you're likely to need your eyes examined Smile

By 7th-son

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16-07-2003, 20:53

If you say 3rd person view, i think of a view like tomb raider
actually the view of baldurs gate is something like that, but further away from the main character.

RPG with platform elements dont mix you say? Ever played Castlevania: Symphony of the night on PSOne? I think it's a perfect mix.
Way better then a FPS with RPG elements.

By anonymous

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16-07-2003, 21:02

Way better then a FPS with RPG elements.EWWW PUKE!

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