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Par wolf_

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10-08-2012, 12:30

RobertVroemisse wrote:

They practically force us to download the AVI!!!! Big smile

Exactly, and this type of 'interaction' takes place between the end user and the entertainment industry. When they'll discover that they sell less DVDs because of these silly warnings, they'll probably stop adding them. No politics whatsoever are required for this process.

Par mars2000you

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10-08-2012, 12:36

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it's a political party which has no relevance these days. Maybe in the future, but not now. Because: "It's the economy, stupid!"

I've the same problem with my personal political opinion, as I'm for reunion of French part of Belgium (Wallonia + Brussels) to France. With the crisis, the main problem is to give back real power to the states instead of the markets manipulating the different states of Europe. It means that Europe must be rebuild on other bases than only money. If this don't happen, than Europe will explode into 2 blocks : one around Germany, one around France. Accidentally, Europe explosion will provoke Belgium explosion as Flanders is for the German economic approach and Wallonia+Brussels is for the French economic approach.

Par Samor

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10-08-2012, 13:27

RobertVroemisse wrote:

And you can't even skip those parts. They practically force us to download the AVI!!!! Big smile

AVI?! You mean MKV h264/DTS 1080p BDrip! Running Naked in a Field of Flowers

at any rate it doesn't really make me want to buy more discs.

wolf_ wrote:

Exactly, and this type of 'interaction' takes place between the end user and the entertainment industry. When they'll discover that they sell less DVDs because of these silly warnings, they'll probably stop adding them. No politics whatsoever are required for this process.

They need to hurry up with that... but it doesn't matter, we're going from disc format to downloads/streaming more and more and those generally don't contain those warning movies. It took a while, but the industry is starting to understand we like to download and with services such as Zune (Xbox) and iTunes many people have no problem paying for it.
Half of the "piracy" problem is simply lack of availability, or more precisely, lack of availability in the desired format.

It takes a while, but the industry is starting to get it.

As for the pirate party, I briefly checked their site and that doesn't give me the idea it's just about "free downloadz". They seem to be a bit better organised than they initially were, and the party's name just seems off at this point. "Privacy Party" would probably be more like it.
The problem is that the Internet is way too international and you can't regulate that with a Dutch political party. In fact, anything that would be enforced (should they have the ability) by that party kind of contradicts what they want to achieve. For an example, just look at the weird cookie law... good intentions gone horribly wrong.

Par RetroTechie

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10-08-2012, 14:09

Samor wrote:

It takes a while, but the industry is starting to get it.

Yeah they might, ultimately. Unfortunately they dug themselves into a deep hole in the meanwhile.

Around the time MP3 file sharing was the hot new thing, the music industry could have stepped in, offer a legal version of their own with pricing & selection as the public wanted, and make lots of money that way. But they didn't, and thus Napster & co got big.

Then they could have done the same, but instead sued Napster out of existence. Thus other P2P file sharing networks (with centralized servers) became big.

They still had a window, but instead went after those other P2P networks too. Thus decentralized P2P networks a la BitTorrent became popular.

Then they went after individual downloaders, which left a bad taste in many people's mouth. With court cases making it clear that original artists get a tiny slice of the pie (if any), and nobody really needs record labels anymore.

As a result, P2P file sharing became so efficient, widespread & easy to use, that today it's extremely difficult for the music industry to come up with an attractive alternative. Which might not have happened if they had provided a legal alternative from the beginning. And they're dealing with customers who don't feel like doing business with them anymore.

Now watch them dig themselves out of that hole before they go bankrupt (wishful thinking Wink ). And repeat for games, movies, e-books etc.

Par Samor

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10-08-2012, 14:06

well, the industry getting it right involves different companies (Valve with Steam, Microsoft with Zune, Apple with iTunes, Spotify) than the oldies (the ones who eventually signed to prevent going bust) afterall...

Par OeiOeiVogeltje

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10-08-2012, 17:12

"NOT banned on MRC"

Par anonymous

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10-08-2012, 17:24

I really don't feel like arguing here, but people calling us a one-issue party really haven't informed themselves.
There are three popular reasons why people call us a one-issue party, so that at least makes it three issues already.

I suggest you read the Pirate Party election program, which is among the widest and most elaborate of all parties.

We are all about Europe and changing things there. In fact, for the upcoming EP elections, we have introduced the first true European-wide party: the Pirate Party of Europe, PPEU.
As for the comment "a dutch political party can't change international matters", this is why the Pirate Party is active in over 70 countries world-wide.

We are also all about the economy. Our policies are far-reaching and go further than the typical symptom-politics and fundamentally improve things. Healthcare costs is an example.

Government transparency is a really important issue for people's daily lives, and the current problems with the virusses show the dangers of central storage of private information, even with millions and millions of euro in "security".

And finally, we want to bring democracy back to the people, instead of the corporations.

Par FiXato

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10-08-2012, 17:25

HansO wrote:

What I mean is: Over the years we have seen a lot of the communication skills by Patriek, more than often resulting in fierce and tasteless discussions. His holy war many years against the MRC is a good example.

Imho that is something that often goes both ways. People in the MSX scene seem to have selective memories and hold onto insignificant details and blow them up over years to come. "but you did that back then and they said this or that" is something a lot of people on either 'sides' suffer from. These stupid and useless discussions keep resurfacing, dragging up insults and complaints and falsities from either sides by either sides. Quite frankly, it's sickening and destroys pieces of joyful memories time after time.

HansO wrote:

Seeing him now on the list of the Pirate Party (entry #4) for the elections for the dutch parliament worries me quite a bit of what to expect of Guyver800 in politics if he ever enters as a member of parliament ...

At least he seems to stand up for what he cares about. His dedication and vocality for what he loves is imho one of his strong points. Sadly it can also be one of his weak points as his enthusiasm can lead to outbursts, especially on the Internet where there is less direct face to face interaction.
Personally I can only admire him for trying to do something constructive with his passion and joining a new political party instead of just complaining at existing established parties or issuing blank votes.

HansO wrote:

I do sympathise with the Pirate Party, but will not vote for them if they choose to work with him. Do they realise what he really is like? Did they ever google him?

Yes, because googling someone really shows what someone is like… When's the last time you actually spoke to him? Had a face to face conversation?
Also, you are going to base your political opinion/choice merely on a single person in a party? Every party has its rotten apples (and not saying here that Patriek is said rotten apple).

As for people thinking PPNL is a one-issue party: consider reading their 60 pages party programme. Quite some of it might be freedom / freedom of information related, but it would be refreshing to have such a voice in parliament to remind politicians of such issues as well.
Also, by becoming a member of the party you can help steer their opinion on all the other issues by means of the Liquid Feedback system (sorry, Dutch explanation only).

Finally, I do think that going with the Piraten Partij as a name might not be the best choice, but otherwise they'd probably get that thrown at them as a negative nickname.

Par mars2000you

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10-08-2012, 17:31

This picture comes with English explanations, so almost everyone can understand :

Par OeiOeiVogeltje

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10-08-2012, 17:40

FiXato wrote:

At least he seems to stand up for what he cares about. His dedication and vocality for what he loves is imho one of his strong points. Sadly it can also be one of his weak points as his enthusiasm can lead to outbursts, especially on the Internet where there is less direct face to face interaction.
Personally I can only admire him for trying to do something constructive with his passion and joining a new political party instead of just complaining at existing established parties or issuing blank votes.

hmmm
Well said....

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