Most used/relevant mass storage devices for the MSX? (at present)

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Par Retrofan

Paragon (1262)

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08-05-2014, 10:27

@Prodatron: and support for Padial SD with SymBos would also be nice Big smile
@konamiman: if you could support the Padial SD (as you have one) with Nextor with support for 2 slots, that would be nice!

Par edoz

Prophet (2301)

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08-05-2014, 10:30

The BERT is indeed a old one. I still own it, but to bad only FAT12 is support. BDW: I had the same with my BERT a year ago ... also a hole in the SCSI controller Big smile I replaced it with a new one and it is working fine again! After the BERT I also bought a Sunrise CF controller and after that the MegaFlashRom SCC+SD. At the moment I use the Sunrise IDE and the MegaFlashRom the most ... And maybe the Nowind interface in future also Wink

Par Prodatron

Paragon (1789)

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08-05-2014, 11:49

Is it still possible to buy a Padial SD interface?

Par Grauw

Ascended (9379)

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08-05-2014, 11:53

konamiman wrote:

I used it for about one year, until one day I heard a small "crack" inside the cartridge... and it stopped working. I opened the case and saw that the SCSI contoller IC had "exploded", there was a small hole in it. Unbelievable!

Wow! That’s quite an amazing story. I wonder how such a thing would happen.

Par Pac

Guardian (5919)

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08-05-2014, 13:09

Prodatron wrote:

Is it still possible to buy a Padial SD interface?

I think so. This is the list of HW from Leonardo Padial, you can find his e-mail at the bottom of the page.

Par TheSpecialist

Expert (113)

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08-05-2014, 13:25

Prodatron wrote:

Thanks a lot for your feedback! Seems, that the Padial MMC/SD is relevant as well as several SCSI interfaces.
But which ones?
- MegaSCSI (japan?)
- Novaxis SCSI (europe?)
What's about the MSX Club Gouda SCSI and the Beer IDE interface?

MSX Club Gouda SCSI can be upgraded to Novaxis. MK Public Domain SCSI can be upgraded to BERT (with a small mod). Novaxis and BERT are the main SCSI interfaces in europe.

As for the Beer IDE interface, it's pretty obscure...

Par NYYRIKKI

Enlighted (5606)

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08-05-2014, 13:26

Hey, where is support for my QD-7 Quick disk drive???

:) Naah, just kidding, but yes there are really many options to store files.

When we talk about era before Sunrise IDE started to take over the HDD-world Novaxis ROM based SCSI interfaces were most popular. The ones who had too much money bought MegaSCSI as that was pretty much Ferrari of MSX HDD interfaces. The price was just way too high to make it popular in Europe. On low end the BERT and Novatec ATA interfaces were relatively popular among DIY people.

Par sd_snatcher

Prophet (3366)

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08-05-2014, 13:41

l_oliveira wrote:

What a beauty the MSX standard is ! This thread is proof. So many ways of storing your files. Wink

I completely agree with that! The diskBIOS is maybe one of the most successful parts of the MSX standard in accomplishing its mission of abstracting the hardware bellow so it could easily/cheaply evolve without breaking software compatibility. Smile

If it wasn't designed like that since the beginning, we would be forever restricted to software that did direct I/O to the WD2793 chip and, and the maximum evolution could be those floppy emulators or some expensive big-FPGA custom board, or a microcontroller with more processing power than the MSX itself.

Sure, direct I/O to the WD2793 would have allowed much quicker disk access back in the days, but looking backwards today I think we're now much more comfort with our IDE and SD interfaces than C64 users with uber optimized floppy drives, aren't we? Smile

Par l_oliveira

Hero (530)

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08-05-2014, 13:51

NYYRIKKI wrote:

On low end the BERT and Novatec ATA interfaces were relatively popular among DIY people.

MEGASCSI/WAVESCSI is a DYI device too. The only drag back then was obtain the Fujitsu SPC chip outside of Japan.

Basically, Unobtanium !

Par maxis

Champion (512)

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08-05-2014, 15:17

NYYRIKKI wrote:

Novatec ATA interfaces were relatively popular among DIY people.

Novatec produced 35 "SuperATA" controllers. However, that was the only run back then in 1997. It was never respined ever since.

However, Egor's BEER202 was reincarnated quite a lot of times by the hobbyists from 1995. IMHO, this is the simplest and the most popular/supported controller for MSX1/MSX2 among the DIYers around the globe.

Also in 1993 a very few SASI controllers were built by hand. These boards worked via XEBEC1410 with the MFM HDD. But the production of those was quickly stopped due to the obsolescence of MFM/RLL drives and increasing availability of the low cost ATA HW.

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