Open question to scene game piraters

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Par gdx

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28-05-2017, 02:39

Protected or not, do not expect to sell a large amount of games for MSX. There are not many users. No one systematically buys all games. It is not possible. We like to own the copy of the games we not intend to buy. The majority of people do not think it is bad, me too.

Anti piracy protections make games more expensive and make life more difficult for honest users (for example emulator users can't buy). Protections are necessary for commercial games (if it is not too restrictive) but I am not sure it is the case for MSX community.

Par wyrdwad

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28-05-2017, 06:03

gdx wrote:

Protections are necessary for commercial games (if it is not too restrictive) but I am not sure it is the case for MSX community.

Protections aren't even technically necessary for commercial games. In fact, games that are released without any form of copy-protection, and systems that encourage the use of no copy-protection, are very much the popular choice among gamers these days. Thus the rise of GOG.

-Tom

Par DarkSchneider

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28-05-2017, 09:58

gdx wrote:

We like to own the copy of the games we not intend to buy. The majority of people do not think it is bad, me too.

If for preserve, fine, that is what I mean with harmless copies. If for playing, then buy it. If for distributing, really bad. Piracy in the current situation is the best way to finally kill the system.

Digital distribution is cheap enough so the cost is not a valid excuse for anyone to copy. If people is not willing to pay 10-12€ for new software (with much work behind that could have been used to watch movies or playing games) then is sign the system is finally and totally DEAD. So no reason to waste effort making new software at all.

Par raulsantacruz

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28-05-2017, 11:12

DarkSchneider wrote:

If for preserve, fine, that is what I mean with harmless copies. If for playing, then buy it. If for distributing, really bad. Piracy in the current situation is the best way to finally kill the system.

Digital distribution is cheap enough so the cost is not a valid excuse for anyone to copy. If people is not willing to pay 10-12€ for new software (with much work behind that could have been used to watch movies or playing games) then is sign the system is finally and totally DEAD. So no reason to waste effort making new software at all.

Absolutelly agree with you!. If there are people who prefer to spend their money on other things because they never bought anything in his youth , but they still like and want to play new games in our system, then definitivaly they act hypocritically. And its sadly to say but the problem are in "old people". I don't know any new young MSX users in this matter.

Par hamlet

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28-05-2017, 11:17

Please don´t get this wrong. Both ways are wrong. But I think there is a slightly difference between steeling a CD in a supermarket or break into your friends house to get his homemade music tapes.
Maybe the supermarket owner counts with "losses". But what we do here is rob our friends.

Par ray2day

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28-05-2017, 12:13

I did not hear people about the high price (€35+) of cartridges sold these days!? Some of them have hardware so then I think it is okay, but -and especially simple Kai's Magazine cartridges- are in my opinion too high priced with this amount of money.

I buy every (normal) cartridge (for example like bitwise/matra sold a few years back) if it is priced between €12,50 and €25,00, but when it is priced €35,- or more is to my opinion way too high for an MSX cartrdige!

Again this is my opinion. Not that it is an excuse to pirate them, but I can understand some do...

Quote:

- If you want to make money, go collecting empty bottles or something. MSX games can't make profit. End of story.

Smile

Par meits

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28-05-2017, 12:27

I can't understand some do. Expensive, not expensive, it's a matter of opinion. If it's expensive and you really want to play it, pay it - just like a person that wants to have an MSX2+ or turbo R - save some money. If you don't want to save for it, you don't want it bad enough, so there' no reason for you to have it in your games directory either.

Par wyrdwad

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28-05-2017, 12:22

We paid way more than that for new games back in the day, and nobody complained then! And the average homebrew game purchased on MSX cartridge has a higher chance of being worth the money than the average commercial game back in the day -- the MSX library is fantastic, but there are a lot of REALLY BAD GAMES in it (mostly due to the sheer quantity of games that exist; you're bound to come across 2 or 3 bad games for every 1 good game you play), whereas the homebrew scene produces mostly good to great titles.

I've spent a lot of money to buy homebrew cartridges already, and have never regretted any of my purchases.

-Tom

Par Lazzeri

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28-05-2017, 13:21

ray2day wrote:

I buy every (normal) cartridge (for example like bitwise/matra sold a few years back) if it is priced between €12,50 and €25,00, but when it is priced €35,- or more is to my opinion way too high for an MSX cartrdige!

So you buy the ROM, right? Wink

Par Lazzeri

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28-05-2017, 13:22

Meits wrote:

I can't understand some do. Expensive, not expensive, it's a matter of opinion. If it's expensive and you really want to play it, pay it - just like a person that wants to have an MSX2+ or turbo R - save some money. If you don't want to save for it, you don't want it bad enough, so there' no reason for you to have it in your games directory either.

THIS.

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