question: games worst on msx2 than on msx

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Par PingPong

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01-01-2018, 21:01

There is XANADU. Graphically worse on msx2 than on msx1. Incredible...
Are there other examples in your knowledge similar to xanadu?

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Par Manuel

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01-01-2018, 22:57

The problem with this game is probably that the MSX2 version is a cheap pc-88 port...

Par PingPong

Prophet (3460)

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01-01-2018, 23:31

any other examples?
anyone there are some examples of games that do not take enough advantage from msx2 capabilities.

Par hamlet

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02-01-2018, 05:19

Not a direct example, but look at Laydock. The Mission Striker is the better part, I think.

Par JohnHassink

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02-01-2018, 05:29

hamlet wrote:

Not a direct example, but look at Laydock. The Mission Striker is the better part, I think.

Totally agreed, that is easily the best one. Especially considering gameplay. I noticed that it's even more fun for people who are not so fond of, or skilled at shmups in general, as it's rather a 'strategical' than a 'hectic' shooter.

Par wyrdwad

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02-01-2018, 06:09

Don't think MP83 has seen this topic yet, but if/when he does, I'm pretty sure he'll say Topple Zip is better on MSX1 than MSX2. He's gone into great detail on that subject with me in the past. Wink

-Tom

Par JohnHassink

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02-01-2018, 11:08

Only halfway on-topic and halfway not, but a lot of OPLL versions in the MSX Sorcerian soundtrack are absolutely horrific, to the point it's literally unlistenable and almost headache-inducing.

It appears to have something to do with channels (sometimes even multiple ones) that were supposed to mimic percussion but mistakenly ended up as tonal ones, which indicates it's a hastily done conversion from probably the PC-88 versions which wasn't properly checked before release. Even the songs that don't suffer from this are not very inspired arrangements, to put it mildly, with the occasional 'wrong' octave or PSG presets, so this even more clearly points to a quickly done, practically dismissive port of the soundtrack.

You're way better off with the PSG renditions, which aren't without flaws either and hardly use white noise, but are more or less of the quality you'd expect from a Falcom MSX game. So if you have an internal FM-PAC and can't disable it, you're in for an unbearable load of cringe if you're going to play the game. Concluding that this is the only game that I know of which supports OPLL where the PSG version of the soundtrack is actually to be preferred (I'm aware that some people always prefer PSG over OPLL, but I'm talking in general here).

It's really disappointing, especially if you realize that Sorcerian is Dragonslayer V but the MSX port was done after the MSX version of Dragonslayer VI, which as we know has easily one of the best MSX OPLL soundtracks around, and is arguably the best version of the game's soundtrack among all the platforms the game was released for.
An interesting addional fact is that the DS6 OPLL version soundtrack only uses one PSG channel at max (for percussion), and sometimes all the 9 OPLL tonal channels, while Sorcerian always uses 3 PSG channels including the noise generator, but never more than 6 OPLL tonal channels but also not those remaining 3 for FM drums. So it's pretty clear what went wrong, but it's a real shame.
According to my information, Falcom handled the MSX version of DS6 themselves, whereas Sorcerian was outsourced. That could explain it.

TL;DR contrary to what one would expect, the OPLL version of the Sorcerian soundtrack is a major screw-up and the PSG version is actually reasonably good

Par Manuel

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02-01-2018, 11:44

Still I love the tune during the menu screen!

Par Imanok

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02-01-2018, 11:49

Maybe some people didn't notice, but King's Valley 2 MSX1 version moves a lot better than the MSX2 version.

Par PingPong

Prophet (3460)

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02-01-2018, 22:52

can you explain?

Par PingPong

Prophet (3460)

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02-01-2018, 22:57

wyrdwad wrote:

Don't think MP83 has seen this topic yet, but if/when he does, I'm pretty sure he'll say Topple Zip is better on MSX1 than MSX2. He's gone into great detail on that subject with me in the past. Wink

-Tom

i do not agree... graphically msx2 is better than msx1 version.

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