Development IDE - TommyGun

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Par jltursan

Prophet (2619)

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17-11-2009, 21:56

From what I think I have learned so far multilayered sprites are an MSX+/2 thing and aren't supported on MSX1
I'm only doing MSX1 for now no plans for MSX2, will gauge MSX1 response first.

Well, in fact there's no support for hardware overlayed sprites in MSX1; it's only a trick, manually overlaying patterns, where each one holds a color. By means the transparency you only see the colored pixels through all the patterns.

The MSX2 hardware overlay is a bit different, you can tie every two patterns and the VDP does a OR between both patterns getting 3 colors + transparent.

So far I have had to change over my entire project to a new compiler.
Fix a few of my VCL components.
Replace the dated looking Win2000 FlatStyle VCL controls for standard Windows controls so that Windows Themes work, which looks nice under Windows 7.

Nice, seems that you're working hard in the IDE! Smile

I am in the middle of making a new editor plugin to allow you to create 256 character pages of Pattern, Color and Name table entries.
You will be able to create any number of pages you like and is intentionally not limited to 3 x 256 screen pages.

Usually number of Pattern pages = number of Color pages. Multiple name tables are cool tho...

I may add a group feature so you can collect 2 or 3 pages as a group for combined editing.

That's it!. If by page you mean table, it's true that you must/can edit simultaneously patterns+colors.
You can take a look to Colecovision's ICVGM to get an idea or to borrow some ideas :-)

All in all, the plugins features explained until now look way cool!. I'm eager to see the beta version...

Par Lord_Zett

Paladin (807)

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17-11-2009, 23:14

Lot's of work left to make it a good program to draw now it's allmost imposible to draw

Par kiwi73

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18-11-2009, 07:42

Say what?
Can you please explain why your think that?

Par kiwi73

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19-11-2009, 10:19

Could I please get a count of how many other people believe its impossible to draw MSX graphics in TommyGun from other people.

Par Hydragon

Paladin (749)

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19-11-2009, 17:57

*edit*

Par Lord_Zett

Paladin (807)

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19-11-2009, 20:36

The problem now is that you need to select a bgr color and forground collor.

the thing is this way its verry difficult to draw good collord gfx . so like when you draw it like a bitmap by using the forground color use and the background colloruse more separte.

i love this kind of programes makes easyer to draw but de collorspil is not a death to good gfx it's a trick to learn to draw white and don't see.

Par kiwi73

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19-11-2009, 22:35

I suppose its only fair because I don't have a manual to go with TommyGun that most people don't know how to use it properly.
But in MSX 16 color mode you can draw quite a few ways.
1) Using normal color color spill mixing.
2) Using the Transparent color modes (you know those T buttons next to the color ones)
Top T is for the foreground color to be transparent ie. Do not change the color
Bottom T for the background color to be transparent ie. Do not change the color
3) On the toolbar at the end is a button with a brush and a black/white 4 dot square.
Pressing this hides the color attributes or in MSX terminology the Color Table.

I'm pretty sure you can draw ANY graphic you like using the above modes.

The problem now is that you need to select a bgr color and forground collor.
No you don't!

the thing is this way its verry difficult to draw good collord gfx . so like when you draw it like a bitmap by using the forground color use and the background colloruse more separte.
See above on how to use the hide color table mode and / or using transparent colors.

i love this kind of programes makes easyer to draw but de collorspil is not a death to good gfx it's a trick to learn to draw white and don't see.
A trick I think TommyGun can do already.

Sorry that there is no manual, but I did have someone offer to make one once, but it never came to be.

Next time you or someone else says something is bad or broken it would be much appreciated if you back it up with an example of how it isn't working for you.
I'm not a mind reader and seeing negative comments that don't explain anything just comes across as trolling and being nasty.
Criticism is welcome - but criticism is more in the form of {this doesn't work for me} and {this is the way and how i'm trying to use it or if it did this i think it could be better} - NOT {i hate it because its not what i am use to or because i can't be bothered learning your program}

Thanks!

Par kiwi73

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19-11-2009, 22:43

Is ICVGM the most popular MSX graphic tool used here?
Does anyone have a copy I can look at - Can't download it cos Geocities is closed.

Par kiwi73

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19-11-2009, 22:59

Oh and there is another mode for editing graphics in TommyGun I forgot to mention.

Because the MSX1 has separate Pattern and Color data you can edit them separately in TommyGun.
To do that you select the Dropper tool - its used to suck up the color under a pixel when using the right mouse button.
But choose your colors on the color panel and click and drag using the left mouse button and you can set the pixels to that color.
This DOES NOT change and Pattern data ONLY Color table data.

So TommyGun allows you to edit graphics in the following ways:
1) Pattern and Color table combined (ie. color spill mode Wink )
2) Pattern table only
3) Color table only
4) Pattern table without showing Color Table. (ie. monochrome view of pixels in Pattern table)

Par jltursan

Prophet (2619)

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20-11-2009, 22:00

Is ICVGM the most popular MSX graphic tool used here?

Well, not really, in fact it's very well known in the Coleco community; but not in the MSX one. In MSX the most powerful editor (but a bit hard to master) is Polka from wolf. He's developing Polka 2...
I like ICVGM because is extremely simple and shows exactly what can be done with the TMS9918.

Does anyone have a copy I can look at - Can't download it cos Geocities is closed.

No prob. Send me your email address to my own email (look at my profile) and I'll send you back the last version.

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