Konami Soccer vs. Nintendo Soccer

Par wbahnassi

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23-06-2020, 15:09

So, who copied the other?
According to wiki and generation-msx, both came out in 1985. The two games look the same and play the same almost, with the Nintendo version being smoother for obvious reasons. Though I just prefer the MSX version sounds and music.
So what happened here? Was it one develepoer who did the game for each of the companies? Or did Nintendo copy Konami here? What's more fascinating is that neither games ever reference the other company, so obviously Konami and Nintendo didn't communicate together here. Rather, each of them claim the license to themselves!

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Par KdL

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23-06-2020, 18:44

Nintendo Soccer, April 9, 1985
Konami's Soccer, December, 1985

The dynamics of the ball is identical, so I think someone will have collaborated for both games.
And I doubt that Konami copied the game in so few months.

Par TheKid

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24-06-2020, 07:14

Ever noticed that the players on the msx version look a lot like a certain plumber from nintendo Smile That's another wink to nintendo, so maybe the msx version was a copy after all Smile

Par KdL

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24-06-2020, 08:43

TheKid wrote:

... so maybe the msx version was a copy after all Smile

It's not for sure. The similarity with Mario is evident, however, it must be considered that in sports games Konami has used that face everywhere starting from Track & Field (Hyper Olympic) published in 1983. Certainly Mario was born in 1981.

Regarding the soccer I think the similarity with Mario was a coincidence of events. So the most correct consideration should be that Konami was reusing a format already known for Hyper Olympic, previously inspired by Mario. For sure, Nintendo could not have used that format for your soccer because it was already used by Konami in the other sports games previously released.

Here it is clearly seen that the faces of Konami's Soccer are the same of Hyper Olympic.

Par Parn

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24-06-2020, 12:35

I'm with @KdL, looks like coincidental to me. I'd expect Japanese soccer games from this time to have similar physics. For example, Champion Soccer, which was released in 1984 for the Sega SG-1000, may be top-down, but the ball has a similar tendency to stick to the players' feet.

Par wbahnassi

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24-06-2020, 13:19

In this case it's not just about the characters. The entire game is almost identical. The prematch options menu is laid out the same with the same options, though Konami added the team names, and gameplay is also similar with that signature goal aiming arrow. Knowing Nintendo (and having dealt with them myself too), they are super fierce when it comes to any third-party using their IP or copying their games (well Konami is also protective but nowhere to the degree of Nintendo).

What would make sense to me is if there was one guy (or a few) who offered to develop the game to both companies, and ended up doing the Nintendo version first, then moved on to the MSX version, only this time applying more polish and some additional features after learning from the first version. This would also explain the small time window between the two releases, as doing a conversion is faster than doing a full game from scratch.

Par Feiraco

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24-06-2020, 13:56

Thanks for the above, I never knew! I certainly like the MSX version better. And having a moustache-man as a character (looking like Mario....) might not be that unique because it was quite fashionable in the 1980s.

Par KdL

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24-06-2020, 14:37

Takeru vending machines were installed in April 1985 and Konami's Soccer was the first game to be released in December. The game was probably ready in April, but between commercial agreements and distribution platform testing, it can be assumed that Konami came out late. Nintendo Soccer was released the same month as Takeru, thus taking advantage of the sale over Konami.

Par Chadwick

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26-06-2020, 18:19

Feiraco wrote:

Thanks for the above, I never knew! I certainly like the MSX version better. And having a moustache-man as a character (looking like Mario....) might not be that unique because it was quite fashionable in the 1980s.

Yea it literally looks like my Dad back then...lol