why is the MSXVR so expensive if its just emulation?

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Par jltursan

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29-12-2020, 14:42

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i have already stated earlier that i accepted jltursan's explanation that the MSX is expensive, so in the future perhaps i might buy an MSXVR in its original price afterall

Do it if you're able to. I must reckon that I've not ordered one because is too much money for my actual budget; but I positively know that I'm going to regret this decision Sad
Of course just please, read all the info available of the machine and be sure that it's all what you want, it's not only an emulated MSX into a cute case Smile

Par JohnHassink

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29-12-2020, 15:02

st1mpy wrote:

Reminds me of this Film scene.

Great movie! You have good taste. :)
I especially love the "Whammy Burger" scene.
"I think we have a critic."
LMAO

Par st1mpy

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29-12-2020, 15:06

Yeah love that burger scene its the best. Love this film, it reminds me of my brother.

Par blueagent

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30-12-2020, 04:01

jltursan wrote:
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i have already stated earlier that i accepted jltursan's explanation that the MSX is expensive, so in the future perhaps i might buy an MSXVR in its original price afterall

Do it if you're able to. I must reckon that I've not ordered one because is too much money for my actual budget; but I positively know that I'm going to regret this decision Sad
Of course just please, read all the info available of the machine and be sure that it's all what you want, it's not only an emulated MSX into a cute case Smile

yes the case was the primary reason why i love the MSXVR, hence why i lamented so heavily on its price, as despite my reluctance to buy one as i was before, i still very much wanted to own a MSXVR. i think that the MSXVR case was so retro-futrisically designed in such a way, that it virtually resembled something a japanese MSX manufacturer would've made back in the 1980s, or even what the fabled MSX3 would've eventually ended up like, and now that i have learnt that it is infact very costly to create and manufacture such a case and also the custom boards and sockets inside, which you have so courteously and generously explain to me in such great detail, and in time, i feel that i might be able to compelled myself to buy one in the near future, and for that you have my utmost and sincere gratitude, for making me see the true value in its original price and for changing my mind, so thank you again, jltursan.

also i saw on the MSXVR website awhile back that the case also allows for personal customization of different colors for the individual keys on the keyboard, so it really sets the imagination on fire with what you can make the MSXVR look like, although after 4 days of fiddling on the MSXVR website i cannot seem to toggle the on screen customization option, which i reckon would've been quite a lot of fun. (might a problem with my browser meant for my low-end pc).

Par ericb59

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30-12-2020, 07:04

my 2 cents :
I think the real question would be,
Why a MSX Turbo-R is so expensive today, after all it's just an old 8 bits useless computer Hannibal Hannibal Wink

Par JGM

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30-12-2020, 08:19

16 bit Evil

Par Wolverine_nl

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30-12-2020, 08:34

ericb59 wrote:

my 2 cents :
I think the real question would be,
Why a MSX Turbo-R is so expensive today, after all it's just an old 8 bits useless computer Hannibal Hannibal Wink

Basphemy Eric, phooh LOL! Wink Smile

I agree that the design of the MSXVR is really something that could have been MSX3. Eventhough I am reluctand, I might consider it in the future, just waiting on reviews Wink

Par Samor

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30-12-2020, 11:35

Turbo R is different, it has simply become legendary (=$$$)
...and it's arguably the best original msx.

The VR project is just super ambitious which also costs money.

Par Meits

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30-12-2020, 11:53

Unlike a lot of other items (especially in the software corner) a turbo R is still very much cheaper than when it got released (if you take money devaluation into consideration). In 1991 an FS-A1ST would cost fl. 1.795,-. That's € 1.487,81 in today's money.
Solid Snake was fl. 155,- in that same price list. That would be € 128,47 now.

It's a lot of money to spend, but it's quite a lot cheaper than it used to be Wink

Par Ivan

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30-12-2020, 13:09

Indeed, prices in the early nineties were prohibitive in Europe for imported Japanese MSX stuff. In Spain the A1ST was €721 and the A1GT €841 (nearly as much as a PC clone with monitor which were around €900). Metal Gear 2 costed €60, SD Snatcher €72 and the Sony HBI-V1 video digitizer €240. At the same time you could still find a brand new Sony HB-20P (MSX1) for just €120 and Konami MegaROMs with SCC for €35.

Back on topic, the MSXVR does support all MSX generations plus lots of extensions and you can plug into it real MSX hardware. You can't do that with regular MSX emulators for PC or other platforms. And a second hand MSXturboR with external extensions like a V9900, OPL4,... is very expensive even nowadays. Just look at the VR-DOS screen: (c) MSXVR Team Corp. 2013-2020. It gives you a hint of how many years of development have passed until the product has been ready for sale.

In my opinion one key feature for its success has been the "cool form factor": it is an all-in-one device with integrated keyboard like almost all 8-bit/16-bit computers from that era. The intial idea of the MSXVR Team was to release a console in the style of the C64GS or Zemmix MSX consoles (see pictures of the first prototypes: 1, 2). I highly doubt that 500 units would have been sold with the intial design. All said, the €400 price tag is justified.

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