Wanted - SD Mapper, Sunrise CF IDE or similair for MSX 1 !

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Par st1mpy

Paladin (885)

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21-07-2022, 19:48

What's your budget?

Par djh1697

Paragon (1680)

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21-07-2022, 22:35

We hope to have an MSX UK meetup in Leicester in September, although there will be hardware, I do not know of any getting sold. I personally have an MRFSCC+SD and a Carnivore 2, the later has been checked and used on a Toshiba HX10.

Par Hit-Biter

Master (163)

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22-07-2022, 00:20

st1mpy wrote:

What's your budget?

How long is a piece of string. IDK. Depends on whats IN the cartridge. And FPGA chip alone is £10-£15 new. then you have the PCB. Thats dependent on the initial order quantity. Then there's the 'Components'. Mostly cheep but add what at least a few £ for them. Case. Injection molded or 3d printed ? 3D printed is not a nice look IMHO. Whats a case worth ? £3-£4 similar in price to a RPI case ? I think it should probably be similar in price to a RPI It should actually be cheeper as theres 'LESS' included so im thinking £25-£35 depending on components etc. Id like to know more about what the item is and whats included.

Par st1mpy

Paladin (885)

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22-07-2022, 01:36

Are you able to solder all the bits if you got a kit?

Par Grauw

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22-07-2022, 12:14

Hit-Biter wrote:

so im thinking £25-£35 depending on components etc.

Well, um… good luck with that. You’re not going to find anything at that price point. Carnivore2 for €100, Sunrise IDE for €50, SDMMR 1024K for €55… those are very cheap honestly for what you get.

Don’t compare to a Raspberry Pi, that’s ridiculous, those are completely different economies of scale. This is MSX fans like you and me putting in effort to design hardware for a small target audience because they enjoy doing it, taking on all the risk of issues during prototyping and production like respins for PCBs or cases or labels, then producing all those boards by hand, putting a large sum of money up front to make batches and maintain a stock, and handling all shipping including returns and malfunctions. It’s a hell of a job really and there are costs for production losses, risk, effort, and financing future projects.

Par Hit-Biter

Master (163)

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25-07-2022, 02:41

st1mpy wrote:

Are you able to solder all the bits if you got a kit?

For the most part yes. Not so good at SMB but if i get the solder paste i can use my rework station to heat it gently untill it flows.

Par Hit-Biter

Master (163)

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25-07-2022, 02:50

Grauw wrote:
Hit-Biter wrote:

so im thinking £25-£35 depending on components etc.

Well, um… good luck with that. You’re not going to find anything at that price point. Carnivore2 for €100, Sunrise IDE for €50, SDMMR 1024K for €55… those are very cheap honestly for what you get.

Don’t compare to a Raspberry Pi, that’s ridiculous, those are completely different economies of scale. This is MSX fans like you and me putting in effort to design hardware for a small target audience because they enjoy doing it, taking on all the risk of issues during prototyping and production like respins for PCBs or cases or labels, then producing all those boards by hand, putting a large sum of money up front to make batches and maintain a stock, and handling all shipping including returns and malfunctions. It’s a hell of a job really and there are costs for production losses, risk, effort, and financing future projects.

I do understand and am sympathetic to the issues of producing any item for a small target market. I'm a bit of a maker myself and always people want it for less. Even a simple woodworking project cant make money when you consider materials, tools, space, time maintenance, paint or oil finish, brushes nails screws etc etc. It ALL adds up then someone like me offers you £10 for something that took £35 just to make and not including your time. Believe me i understand.

However I got a CF Card reader for my Amiga and a few bits n pieces with some assembly required for something like £6 and a small item for an acorn electron that you have to use with a Plus 1 and hack it a little by soldering some wires and cutting a trace or two for not much more. Both were very home brew and lacked cases, stickers etc but essentially worked and wasn't too expensive for me. I don't really need all the Extra functionality. Yea sure it would be nice to have but I cant justify the cost for my usage :/

Par Grauw

Ascended (10634)

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25-07-2022, 02:59

In that case, Carnivore2 is open source so you can build it yourself. And so is the SD mapper afaik.

Par Hit-Biter

Master (163)

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25-07-2022, 14:43

Grauw wrote:

In that case, Carnivore2 is open source so you can build it yourself. And so is the SD mapper afaik.

Yea I guess i will probably go that route in due course, I'm just snowed under with projects atm. Rebuilding an R1 Motorcycle, Making a Wood Unit, Finishing of My 3D Printer, Refurbishing an Old Paraffin Blow Torch that requires a new seal turning out on the lathe, Got another Lathe in the middle of a refurb/Rebuild, an A600 in the middle of being recapped, a 110V Air Compressor being repaired and rebuilt and the list goes on :/ Oh and i need at least a few hours playing Valheim and an hour or two on the MSX so 0_0 Arghhhh

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