Turbo R ST vs. GT

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By NYYRIKKI

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30-01-2018, 01:08

@gdx Hmm... It seems that my knowledge of Japanese text adventures is not very good. Converted DSK to ROM work if you convert back to DSK.

BHS wrote:

Yeah the problem with all of those listings is that it seems like most of the disc drives don't work.

Yes, the rubber belt is now ~25 years old... They tend to dry. It's not very hard to replace, but indeed requires some effort.

By gdx

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30-01-2018, 01:41

Some DSKs converted to ROM can't back to DSK (Aleste 2, etc).
512kB megaroms with 8K Mapper also require more of 512K RAM when cracked. (eg: Blade Lords, Hydlide 3, Manbow 2, etc)

By Colemu

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30-01-2018, 05:47

One thing I would say about the ST is the IO interference in the FM sound circuit.

I don't know if this was corrected in the GT? If it was, then I would go for the GT!

By Wolverine_nl

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30-01-2018, 10:08

https://www.msx.org/wiki/Panasonic_FS-A1GT

There are fixes made to the mainboard, but there's a bug in the MSX-MUSIC implementation. Read the wiki and the links to learn more about that. ;-)

By konamiman

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30-01-2018, 10:52

Sebbeug wrote:

Solution : an A1-ST upgraded to 512 or 1024 Wink, and you will have the best MSX Smile

Agreed. I own a ST upgraded to 512K and I don't feel the need to have a GT at all.

By Wolverine_nl

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30-01-2018, 11:47

konamiman wrote:

Agreed. I own a ST upgraded to 512K and I don't feel the need to have a GT at all.

I have a GT, I had the choice a year ago, but I was thinking, If I choose the ST, then I want to upgrade it's RAM and with the GT I didn't have to do that.
The way I see it is that the GT is straight out of the box a fully muscled MSX and the ST out of the box is still worth an upgrade.
But if I only saw a ST, I wouldnt hesitate and buy that one and upgrade it's RAM. Smile

By karloch

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30-01-2018, 13:50

I think the GT is useful if:

  • You are leveraging the SVHS output. It is really useful if you want to connect your MSX to a PC video capture card, as most of them have SVHS input and it provides similar quality to RGB. My GT is connected to a LCD TV by RGB and PC capture card by SVHS; I can't appreciate differences in image quality.
  • You want to play around with the MSX-MIDI. To be honest, I have not used this apart of listening to Illusion City in a Roland MT-32 and... though impressive I think it is better with standard FMPAC.

By Meits

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30-01-2018, 14:11

The ST has SVHS output as well, and Illusion City being one of the few games supporting its MIDI makes it marginally a pro, especially since this game chose to use a very inferior MT32 as a MIDI device.

By BHS

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30-01-2018, 16:56

Okay so for example there's these two GT models currently listed: https://www.jauce.com/auction/p590890171 & https://www.jauce.com/auction/k290588268

I'm having a hard time determining whether these two are working machines which can be salvaged. The google translate is not at all helpful.

Is it worth it to just buy a machine and keep my fingers crossed?

By Colemu

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30-01-2018, 17:24

The second one looks to be in excellent condition! And shown to be working.
I would go for that one, you very rarely see them in such good nick!

(and it's a great starting price!)

From what I can make out, the space bar is not working and the floppy drive needs a new belt. You can either repair the membrane or buy a new one. And the belts always go on Turbo-R machines (but remember it's 25 years old), they're easily replaced (although getting harder to find these days).

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