MSXdev22 #31 Lilly's Saga - The Stones of Evergreen

MSXdev22 #31 Lilly's Saga - The Stones of Evergreen

by MSXdev Team on 05-10-2022, 20:43
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Written for the MSX2 system, packed in a MegaROM and with MSX-Music support, here's an epic adventure for a little girl called Lilly, who needs to retrieve the Stones of Evergreen to keep her village safe.

Regulars of the MSX Resource Center may recognize the title from our forum, where the authors have shown various progress videos of this game, when still in development. A smooth scrolling action platformer, showing off MSX2 screen capabilities backed by engaging MSX-Music (FM-PAC and alike) tunes. This is one of the examples of developers meeting at the forum to create something beautiful together, and an amazing one at that.

In Lilly's Saga, you play the role of a village girl that won't be messed with, no way! No time for bullies, as she sets out to get back those relics, stolen from her hometown. This brave young woman is in for some good old jumping, fighting, exploring and collecting goodies in a diverse set of sprawling worlds, wherein curiosity is rewarded satisfactorily. You go girl, go get 'em!

We'd like to emphasize on a note from the authors: “Please play this game on real hardware. If that doesn’t work for you, use openMSX, for it has the most accurate MSX emulation scheme.”

Read the whole story on MSXdev.org. Enjoying MSXdev? Consider donating to the contest. As long as the jury is deliberating, the contest is still open for donations.

Relevant link: Lilly's Saga - The Stones of Evergreen - MSXdev official
Relevant link: Lilly's Saga - The Stones of Evergreen - play online

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By Uninteresting

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05-10-2022, 21:01

Okay, this is impressive (I've missed forum thread). So this makes two smooth-scrolling platformers in this year?

By erpirao

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05-10-2022, 21:01

amazing, amazing, incredible, I already wanted this game but it has left me shocked.

By raulsantacruz

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05-10-2022, 21:08

Incredible job!!! Running Naked in a Field of Flowers Running Naked in a Field of Flowers Running Naked in a Field of Flowers Congratulations for the authors! Thank you very much for share your work with scene

By ro

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05-10-2022, 21:08

By AnsiStar

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05-10-2022, 21:10

Wow! A "must have" for me!!

By wolf_

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05-10-2022, 21:13

- The Real Thing
- openMSX

Not webMSX, as sound isn't exactly its strongsuit. Wink

By ToriHino

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05-10-2022, 21:14

Great entry indeed, well done! And yes, this deserves to be played on a real system or a better emulator Tongue

By MSXdev Team

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05-10-2022, 21:19

@Uninteresting: Thank you for mentioning that. We have added a hotlink to the newspost body.

@wolf_: The post has been updated to include this advice.

By valkyre

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05-10-2022, 21:20

What a nice surprise

By AxelStone

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05-10-2022, 21:20

Superb game! The playability is really polished.

By Bengalack

Hero (658)

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05-10-2022, 21:25

And there we are. We have submitted the game to MSXdev :-O

We have already announced that the game will come in two versions. One "Download version" and one "Physical version". We never actually stated that the Download version would be free, until now. Free is GOOD and more people will be able to experience the game. I hope that as many as possible are able to play on a real MSX. It is really a cooler and a smoother experience.

Now, we are preparing the real thing too. It will of course be **something else** to have a great looking, physical box on the shelf. (--And for those not in posession of large MegaFlashROMs, this will be the way to play on a real MSX).

In the mean time, enjoy the game! I've spent every available free time on this game during the last 2.5 years, and the other developers have put in a fair share of work as well(!) I hope it's a nice addition to the MSX2 games collection.

By Manuel

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05-10-2022, 21:50

Uninteresting wrote:

Okay, this is impressive (I've missed forum thread). So this makes two smooth-scrolling platformers in this year?

I may have missed it, so: what's the other one?

By Uninteresting

Champion (338)

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05-10-2022, 21:57

@Manuel: Sacred Valley. It scrolls horizonally smoothly, but in 8px increments vertically as far as I can tell.

By albs_br

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05-10-2022, 22:13

Fantastic job. It even has a parallax effect. Msx2 entries are incredible. Professional level.

By Bengalack

Hero (658)

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05-10-2022, 23:23

Thanks all! Very nice to hear what you think.

wolf_ wrote:

- The Real Thing
- openMSX

Not webMSX, as sound isn't exactly its strongsuit. Wink

Note: If you use openmsx, you must use openmsx18, as earlier versions will not render music correctly in Lilly's case (waits between outs to the music chip are pruned to the absolute minimum in this game).

By AxelStone

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05-10-2022, 23:59

Anyone tried to load on Zemmix? I'm not able using Sofarun or mglocm. Any specific setting? Thanks

By thegeps

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06-10-2022, 01:16

Eek!
This is a very great MSXdev comtest this year! And MSX2 games are incredible! SO MUCH MSX LOVE! Amazing!

By sd_snatcher

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06-10-2022, 04:20

Agreed! This is one of the best editions of the MSXdev contest. And with two top-notch MSX2 games for us to enjoy!

To the makers of Lilly's Saga: I just loved the game. Lovely graphics, awesome music, frenetic pace.

By gdx

Enlighted (5813)

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06-10-2022, 09:42

Tremendous and nice surprise! We finally have a platform game worthy of the name on MSX. Smile

If I understand the version correctly, the premium version that is sold MSX Cartridge Shop has just the saving game support in addition. I'm right?

By wolf_

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06-10-2022, 10:06

Well, that depends. Saving games, that's the idea. But I've been discussing other things with Bengy as well, as bonus material. But it should be in line with demand, I mean I could add another tune for all I care, that's not a lot of work to do, but if only a handful o' people are to buy the cartridge then all those efforts may be a bit 'off the scale', so to say. Wink

By ARTRAG

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06-10-2022, 10:27

ok, book a cart for me ;-)

By valkyre

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06-10-2022, 10:47

I will be up for a cartridge for sure.

By AxelStone

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06-10-2022, 11:02

Any update about loading the ROM? Which device are you using guys? I've tried several configs with Sofarun and MGLOCM and didn't work. I'm really looking forward to trying the game on the Zemmix, instead of using the emulator.

I agree, this year the MSXDev has a reaaally impressive level. The jury has a very hard job.

P.D.: solved. Both Sofarun and MGLOCM identifies the ROM as ASCII8, but really is ASCII16. Force this mapper and it works.

By Bengalack

Hero (658)

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06-10-2022, 11:45

AxelStone wrote:

P.D.: solved. Both Sofarun and MGLOCM identifies the ROM as ASCII8, but really is ASCII16. Force this mapper and it works.

Correct. We stated ASCII 16 in the manual, just in case… issues like this. My personal variant is MegaFlashROM SCC+ SD where I need to state the mapper when flashing.

By inchl

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06-10-2022, 12:01

Amazing game and very polished in detail!!

By AxelStone

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06-10-2022, 12:30

One question about save games: where they are stored? If you reset the machine the save is lost.

Thanks!

By gdx

Enlighted (5813)

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06-10-2022, 12:52

As said above the free version doesn't have game save. I think the premium version save on a sector of its FlashRom.

By jepmsx

Master (190)

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06-10-2022, 12:51

I've tried to play it in a Turbo-R ST with Carnivore2 using SofaRun with the following settings:
- ASCII16 mapper
- Z80
- No disk driver : Yes
but it doesn't run Crying .

By AxelStone

Prophet (3174)

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06-10-2022, 13:00

gdx wrote:

As said above the free version doesn't have game save. I think the premium version save on a sector of its FlashRom.

I see now, thanks. What about a password system for the digital version?

By thegeps

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06-10-2022, 13:58

I will be one of the physical version buyers. Count me in

By journey

Hero (567)

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06-10-2022, 14:05

Physical copy for me for sure!! Smile

By Bengalack

Hero (658)

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06-10-2022, 15:12

jepmsx wrote:

I've tried to play it in a Turbo-R ST with Carnivore2 using SofaRun with the following settings:
- ASCII16 mapper
- Z80
- No disk driver : Yes
but it doesn't run Crying .

Not sure, but @tfh mentioned that he was using Carnivore to play, so I assume it should work?

By Bengalack

Hero (658)

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06-10-2022, 15:15

AxelStone wrote:
gdx wrote:

As said above the free version doesn't have game save. I think the premium version save on a sector of its FlashRom.

I see now, thanks. What about a password system for the digital version?

The digital version is the msxdev-version. I’m not planning to add more features to this. The Premium OTOH, is not 100% set in stone.

By tfh

Prophet (3256)

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06-10-2022, 15:32

Bengalack wrote:
jepmsx wrote:

I've tried to play it in a Turbo-R ST with Carnivore2 using SofaRun with the following settings:
- ASCII16 mapper
- Z80
- No disk driver : Yes
but it doesn't run Crying .

Not sure, but @tfh mentioned that he was using Carnivore to play, so I assume it should work?

LOL... That is what I am going to do, but... I haven't done it yet.
Let's try...

/edit 15:32/

I can't get it to work with Sofarun, so I flashed it to the C2 Flash memory. This seems to work fine :)

By AxelStone

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06-10-2022, 15:48

@tfh A cluster of MSXs! LOL! LOL!

I suposse that this could be the problem with Carnivore2, it's not working with Sofarun. In Zemmix I can confirm that setting manually the mapper to ASCII16, works fine with Sofarun.

Waiting feedback from users with GR8Net, SDMapper and Flashjack Smile

By max_iwamoto

Hero (616)

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06-10-2022, 15:55

This MSX DEV edition becoming the best ever!

By tfh

Prophet (3256)

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06-10-2022, 16:18

AxelStone wrote:

@tfh A cluster of MSXs! LOL! LOL!

I suposse that this could be the problem with Carnivore2, it's not working with Sofarun. In Zemmix I can confirm that setting manually the mapper to ASCII16, works fine with Sofarun.

Waiting feedback from users with GR8Net, SDMapper and Flashjack Smile

The problem is probably the fact that the ROM is simply too large. The carnivore 2 only has 1 MBtye of mapped ram. Maybe you can use it by flashing the special made 2/4 MByte flashfiles for sofarun.

Yeah... I like my MSX setup. Quite happy with it actually!

By shalafi

Expert (110)

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06-10-2022, 21:20

Nice entry, really smooth and polished, and fun. Wink

By Mumbly

Expert (111)

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07-10-2022, 11:05

really impressive game !...

By Sebbeug

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07-10-2022, 11:20

AxelStone wrote:

I can confirm that setting manually the mapper to ASCII16, works fine with Sofarun.

A few bugs when jumping on clouds under Sofarun (with Sofarom)

By SjaaQ

Champion (365)

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07-10-2022, 11:55

AxelStone wrote:

Waiting feedback from users with GR8Net, SDMapper and Flashjack Smile

So I am trying to put the game on the GR8NET serial flash, so I can run it using the net MEGAROM option (paragraph 9.5 of the GR8NET manual). Since you can only load 1MB at the same time, I've split up the rom intro 512K parts. I noticed the ROM is not aligned to 1216 KB or 1536 KB. Not sure yet if that will be a problem.

Anyways, I've loaded the MEGAROM.BIN to the serial flash, but whenever I want to flash part 1 with _FLUPDATE(74) I get an "Illegal Function call". I've booted the GR8NET with [cursordown] pressed, so it boots in mapper mode 0.

Has anyone any experience on this? Not sure what I am doing wrong.

Edit: I've send Eugeny a mail. I think the parts need to have some kind of header.

By Sylvester

Hero (568)

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07-10-2022, 12:56

@SjaaQ: also did the same, I splitted the rom in 512kb parts (just with a linux split cli command) and then adapted the script Eugeny used for aleste2 to flash the parts. But with the first part I get: "Buffer: regular0, Invalid". So also did send a message with the question how he splits the MegaROM files Smile When I check the aleste2 parts with a hex viewer they all have an extra header like "AB GR8NETFPGA.5.", i guess the 5 is the mapper type (ascii16) but no idea how he created it.Ž

By SjaaQ

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07-10-2022, 14:56

I did not even get the example (Aleste) to run. When you activate the MEGAROM.BIN firmware _NETRECFG(..) and boot, it says 5 is the konami mapper type. And then it tells me "Image does not start with ROM signature, will not be started". Also the manual states there is a _NETMEGAROM() command at some point, but neither the default firmware nor the MEGAROM.BIN version seems to support it.

Nevertheless, it seems there is some utility missing creating the parts.

By AnsiStar

Expert (127)

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07-10-2022, 15:36

Is this fix already with MSX Cartridge Shop?
I will order as soon as possible....

By SjaaQ

Champion (365)

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07-10-2022, 15:47

I flashed it successfully to my MFRSCCSD+ using the command:
OPFXSD LILLY.ROM /A16
When using auto-detect, it does not work.

By Bengalack

Hero (658)

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07-10-2022, 16:03

SjaaQ wrote:

I flashed it successfully to my MFRSCCSD+ using the command:
OPFXSD LILLY.ROM /A16
When using auto-detect, it does not work.

Correct, what I have been using as well.

By journey

Hero (567)

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07-10-2022, 16:20

I have encountered a problem with the SX-2.
Using mglocm.com /f (to force ASCII16) the game starts, but in world 1-2, at the cloud platforms that go up and down, they move badly and the character goes on tilt..

By wolf_

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07-10-2022, 16:46

So, if anything, I guess it's a good thing that larger titles are finally here to test all these ROM loaders, and see where improvements can be made. Hannibal

By SjaaQ

Champion (365)

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07-10-2022, 17:52

journey wrote:

I have encountered a problem with the SX-2.
Using mglocm.com /f (to force ASCII16) the game starts, but in world 1-2, at the cloud platforms that go up and down, they move badly and the character goes on tilt..

I think the OCMs have timing issues. I also see the screensplit on the middle of the screen on my SX1+ (assumed this is the one to duplicate the black border sprites).

It's not really annoying nor breaks anything on the SX1+ at least. Even on the turbo speeds nothing seems to break.

By Bengalack

Hero (658)

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07-10-2022, 18:03

SjaaQ wrote:
journey wrote:

I have encountered a problem with the SX-2.
Using mglocm.com /f (to force ASCII16) the game starts, but in world 1-2, at the cloud platforms that go up and down, they move badly and the character goes on tilt..

I think the OCMs have timing issues. I also see the screensplit on the middle of the screen on my SX1+ (assumed this is the one to duplicate the black border sprites).

This have been carefully calibrated to real msxs (as far as I could). A bit sad if these machines are off :-/

By journey

Hero (567)

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07-10-2022, 18:06

Bengalack wrote:
SjaaQ wrote:
journey wrote:

I have encountered a problem with the SX-2.
Using mglocm.com /f (to force ASCII16) the game starts, but in world 1-2, at the cloud platforms that go up and down, they move badly and the character goes on tilt..

I think the OCMs have timing issues. I also see the screensplit on the middle of the screen on my SX1+ (assumed this is the one to duplicate the black border sprites).

This have been carefully calibrated to real msxs (as far as I could). A bit sad if these machines are off :-/

I should try the latest firmware released

By SjaaQ

Champion (365)

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07-10-2022, 19:06

journey wrote:

I should try the latest firmware released

I am using the latest firmware. Bot the SX2 firmware is different than the one for the SX1+.

By Grauw

Ascended (10633)

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07-10-2022, 22:57

Submit a bug report to KdL, he's probably interested in looking at this to improve OCM emulation.

Looking forward to take some time to play Lilly's Saga! It was nice to follow development, and it is looking great!

By jepmsx

Master (190)

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08-10-2022, 08:36

You are totally right @tfh, the problem was with C2+Sofarun, installing into the rom (using c2man) works like a charm.

I always try to run it with sofarun to save space, but sometimes it can't be done.

By ARTRAG

Enlighted (6887)

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09-10-2022, 10:55

I've been playing Lillys Saga a bit and it is incredibly good ! Greetings for the musics and for the polished graphics, I love the intro and the scrolling effects with parallax, very well done !

By wolf_

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09-10-2022, 11:34

Which stage did you reach?

By AnsiStar

Expert (127)

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09-10-2022, 14:37

Where and when can I order my copy (Cartdidge)?

By ARTRAG

Enlighted (6887)

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09-10-2022, 16:08

wolf_ wrote:

Which stage did you reach?

IIRC I was at 1-3

By Bengalack

Hero (658)

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09-10-2022, 20:46

AnsiStar wrote:

Where and when can I order my copy (Cartdidge)?

Pre-orders will start later. Talking to suppliers of HW now. And BTW: MSXdev rules are this:

* After submitting an entry, it cannot be published outside MSXdev during the run of the contest.

So, we cannot release the cart now anyway.

By Bengalack

Hero (658)

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09-10-2022, 20:48

Overwhelmed by the massive positive feedback!

In all channels! Thanks guys. This is really great for us.

Feelgood days, eh? Big smile

By Bengalack

Hero (658)

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09-10-2022, 20:50

ARTRAG wrote:
wolf_ wrote:

Which stage did you reach?

IIRC I was at 1-3

Make sure you spot all those bonus-rooms, yeah? Did you? Big smile You will get faster to an extra life, you know --200 coins = extra life.

By SjaaQ

Champion (365)

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10-10-2022, 16:27

SjaaQ wrote:

bla bla GR8NET...

It seems Eugeny is working on it: http://www.gr8bit.ru/software/firmware/GR8NET/megaroms/lilly/
The manual also seems updated.

I've updated everything in the GR8NET and now Lilly's Saga works from the GR8NET.

By poke-1,170

Paragon (1782)

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11-10-2022, 23:22

Excellent game, with loads of nice hidden bonus levels!
I found a spelling error, after the third gem has been found, the text "are we finally seing the end?"
(or something simila). Should be seeing Wink. Maybe it can be fixed before it's released on physical cartridges.

By wolf_

Ambassador_ (10028)

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12-10-2022, 00:45

'Seing' was actually interpreted from ancient Nordic runes, no one knows that gibberish. Hannibal

By Bengalack

Hero (658)

Bengalack의 아바타

12-10-2022, 07:44

poke-1,170 wrote:

Excellent game, with loads of nice hidden bonus levels!
I found a spelling error, after the third gem has been found, the text "are we finally seing the end?"
(or something simila). Should be seeing Wink. Maybe it can be fixed before it's released on physical cartridges.

Thanks!
Will fix this for the physical version, but likely I will release an update with a few fixes to the msxdev-version too. Haven’t had many reports from players though.

By poke-1,170

Paragon (1782)

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12-10-2022, 12:47

You rune master Wink
P.s. really enjoyed the music, it adds a lot of atmosphere to the game, giving it a console game feel!

By turbor

Champion (507)

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12-10-2022, 14:37

Great game,
Very polished, slick presentation and probably the best FM music ever.

Unfortunately, I might not be that good at it. Sad
I seem to be stuck on world 2-1?
At the right there is a wall with a ladder I can't reach. And the magical wings don't help neither. Question
Any hints?

Also is it a bug that I can die if I jump-glide to left from one of the floating islands in that field? I glide to the left, hit an invisible wall for a while and once I continue gliding to the left I get a "hit the bottom of the play area" dead sequence...

By wolf_

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12-10-2022, 15:05

As for ladders which you seemingly can't reach: you'll have to understand that Bengalack is a sneaky map-design bastard, and even I haven't seen all bonus levels yet. There's more than meets the eye. Bengy labels this phenomenon 'replay value', and I guess that's true.

By Bengalack

Hero (658)

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12-10-2022, 17:09

turbor wrote:

Great game,
Very polished, slick presentation and probably the best FM music ever.

Unfortunately, I might not be that good at it. Sad
I seem to be stuck on world 2-1?
At the right there is a wall with a ladder I can't reach. And the magical wings don't help neither. Question
Any hints?

Thanks! Awesome feedback!

Wolf is subtle. Bengy-bengy would be less so: Do you know how most bonus rooms are entered?

turbor wrote:

Also is it a bug that I can die if I jump-glide to left from one of the floating islands in that field? I glide to the left, hit an invisible wall for a while and once I continue gliding to the left I get a "hit the bottom of the play area" dead sequence...

Not really a bug. It’s just a fatal consequence of going somewhere you are not intended to, and then finally you fall out of screen and into the abyss Smile

By turbor

Champion (507)

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12-10-2022, 21:43

Bengalack wrote:

Wolf is subtle. Bengy-bengy would be less so: Do you know how most bonus rooms are entered?

I found out about the white dots so that you get sucked into rooms with lot of coins. But for some places I haven't found out how to reach some of them (like in the castle at the bottom between two walls). Also I have been hopping around in world 2-1 like mad in the hopes of bumping into more invisible blocks but no luck so far and I don't now where to jump next...
Do you need to discover some of them, but not make them fully brown but leave them in their 'gold' state?

Bengalack wrote:
turbor wrote:

Also is it a bug that I can die if I jump-glide to left from one of the floating islands in that field? I glide to the left, hit an invisible wall for a while and once I continue gliding to the left I get a "hit the bottom of the play area" dead sequence...

Not really a bug. It’s just a fatal consequence of going somewhere you are not intended to, and then finally you fall out of screen and into the abyss Smile

Well, it is strange that the abyss is located higher then the starting screen isn't it? Here is how to recreate it: Go to the flagpole while being equipped with the wings and jump onto the block right beside it (the one that has coins around it, above the 3 boxes) then jump to the left and keep gliding...

FYI,I really didn't like the wonderboy's arcade hidden bonuses thingy, but given your avatar I think we might have a different taste. If you need to find these obscure things by shear accident to continue the game then that is a design flaw imho. That would really deteriorate the game play for me personally. (Like it is doing right now Crying )

By turbor

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12-10-2022, 21:47

wolf_ wrote:

As for ladders which you seemingly can't reach: you'll have to understand that Bengalack is a sneaky map-design bastard, and even I haven't seen all bonus levels yet. There's more than meets the eye. Bengy labels this phenomenon 'replay value', and I guess that's true.

Finding all the extra bonus rooms when you come back after completing the game a first time would be 'replay value'. If it simply blocks me from progressing in the game it can't be called 'replay', right?

By poke-1,170

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12-10-2022, 23:29

hmmm, got a picture of the part where you're stuck? I've scratched my head quite a few times, but usually the solution is in the screen where you're facing the problem. Could either be a hidden block, or a secret entrance (like bonus levels) in a tree trunk for instance.
I've save stated my way through the game (booooo, cheater!) but there's still loads of stuff I haven't figured out in terms of hidden levels or bits that I couldn't access. That would definitely be replay value for me Smile

By Bengalack

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13-10-2022, 07:42

turbor wrote:
Bengalack wrote:

Wolf is subtle. Bengy-bengy would be less so: Do you know how most bonus rooms are entered?

I found out about the white dots so that you get sucked into rooms with lot of coins. But for some places I haven't found out how to reach some of them (like in the castle at the bottom between two walls). Also I have been hopping around in world 2-1 like mad in the hopes of bumping into more invisible blocks but no luck so far and I don't now where to jump next...
Do you need to discover some of them, but not make them fully brown but leave them in their 'gold' state?

It’s just like in Mario when you pull down when on top of a tube. Did you try that some of places?

By turbor

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13-10-2022, 23:52

Clearly I didn't see tree trunks as an equivalent to an Italian plumbing system. That was the hint I needed. Thanks poke-1,170 and Bengalack.

By black hawk

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15-10-2022, 01:19

Made. This game really is a gem. The end demo could have been a bit longer, but that's about the only point of criticism. Thank you for this wonderful game with this excellent music. 100% professional.

By Bengalack

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15-10-2022, 15:51

black hawk wrote:

Made. This game really is a gem. The end demo could have been a bit longer, but that's about the only point of criticism. Thank you for this wonderful game with this excellent music. 100% professional.

Thanks for this feedback! Well, the end demo is not overly short considering that this is an action platform game. I feel that we've added as much story as we can, given the genre. And then some others only want action, so this is about personal preference. I think we stroke the right balance here, but other may think otherwise. That's fine Smile And I love to hear everyone's opinion about it!

By Manuel

Ascended (19053)

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15-10-2022, 18:15

I gave Wolf some feedback on IRC. If you're interested, here's a relevant part of the conversion. Note that it's mostly criticism feedback, but it doesn't mean I don't like the game Smile

The camera is a bit slow sometimes, so you can't see much ahead
keeps things exciting Tongue

"follow the white dots" and I see a single pixel at the top of the screen
yes, jump towards any white pixel
it's a hint pixel
how to reach...
there are some insane puzzles here and there, often you just need to jump around, hoping for hidden [?] bricks Wink

It was not clear to me that the black flag can be picked up.

It's a bit odd that button B is pause. I'd expect 'hold item' or 'run' in good mario fashion
The game play is really smooth though :-)
you don't 'hold' items, you just have them
and there's no run speed, just one kind of moving speed, unless you are in the water without shoes
Clearing a level doesn't save?
damn, I keep pressing the B button by accident
I can't reach the chest in level 1-3, not even via the high level cannonball
Couldn't find out how to reach all these chests in level 4-1 either :S
well, good night Smile Great entry :-)

I hope to have time to play a lot more later. I also plugged the game with several streamers who like MSX.

By black hawk

Expert (124)

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16-10-2022, 00:02

Just take my criticism as praise. The game is so beautiful that you want to watch a nice end demo with nice pictures and Wolf's music for a long time afterwards. But like I said - this game is a gem. Smile

By Bengalack

Hero (658)

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16-10-2022, 09:03

Manuel wrote:

I gave Wolf some feedback on IRC. If you're interested, here's a relevant part of the conversion. Note that it's mostly criticism feedback, but it doesn't mean I don't like the game Smile

Thanks, sure I'd like to know. But obviously I have made some design decisions which are based on a bunch of different arguments which isn't obvious to everyone. You just have to take these rules for what they are Smile

Manuel wrote:

<Quibus> The camera is a bit slow sometimes, so you can't see much ahead
<Wolf_> keeps things exciting Tongue
<Quibus> "follow the white dots" and I see a single pixel at the top of the screen
<Wolf_> yes, jump towards any white pixel
<Wolf_> it's a hint pixel
<Quibus> how to reach...
<Wolf_> there are some insane puzzles here and there, often you just need to jump around, hoping for hidden [?] bricks Wink

Well, not sure if I agree with "insane" Big smile Big smile

Manuel wrote:

It was not clear to me that the black flag can be picked up.

This thingy is not important for the progress. It was meant as a nice bonus for those who found it. I was aware that it was obscure, so I even showed it in videos prior to release. People like extra points. People like hidden (non-blocking) stuff. If you are not a typical explorer type of player, then, once you stressed through the game once, just to complete it, you might want to go back and explore and find all the hidden stuff in the game?

Manuel wrote:

<Quibus> It's a bit odd that button B is pause. I'd expect 'hold item' or 'run' in good mario fashion

Early on I made a design decision that this game should be possible to play 100% with a joystick. Hence, save on B, hence menus with marker, hence save-games interface and no password-codes.

Manuel wrote:

<Quibus> The game play is really smooth though :-)
<Wolf_> you don't 'hold' items, you just have them
<Wolf_> and there's no run speed, just one kind of moving speed, unless you are in the water without shoes
<Quibus> Clearing a level doesn't save?

You have limited save-game slots. And in the free version you only have one. It is a design decision that you don't overwrite the single slot automatically each time you level. It's kind of bad if you were on level 3-4 with 6 lives, and once you get to level 4-1 and save with no extra lives. It should be your call to save. In this case, I would try to make level 3-4 with less loss of lives, and then save on 4-1.

Manuel wrote:

<Quibus> damn, I keep pressing the B button by accident
<Quibus> I can't reach the chest in level 1-3, not even via the high level cannonball
<Quibus> Couldn't find out how to reach all these chests in level 4-1 either :S

I really, really hope that people don't manage all the puzzles and find all the hidden stuff on first try. Then I have failed miserably on game play.

Manuel wrote:

<Quibus> well, good night Smile Great entry :-)
I hope to have time to play a lot more later. I also plugged the game with several streamers who like MSX.

Thanks.

By Manuel

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16-10-2022, 10:50

Well, it was hard to see what is coming at some points, because the camera is sometimes a bit behind.

As for saving: how about asking the user whether he wants to save after clearing a level? Or world? I forgot a few times...

As for the hint pixel... A bit odd. In similar games there are other ways to hint the player. Like having coins or other regular objects on seemingly hard to get to places.

By Bengalack

Hero (658)

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16-10-2022, 13:03

Manuel wrote:

Well, it was hard to see what is coming at some points, because the camera is sometimes a bit behind.

Ok. As normal, the result is a combination of gameplay design and technical restrictions/compromise. So, this will not be changed in this game. In fact, **nothing** about gameplay and game-mechanics will change in this game at this point.

Manuel wrote:

As for saving: how about asking the user whether he wants to save after clearing a level? Or world? I forgot a few times...

This is what we have Manuel, and this is what you get (at the start of every level), a non-intrusive, non-blocking message Big smile :

Manuel wrote:

As for the hint pixel... A bit odd. In similar games there are other ways to hint the player. Like having coins or other regular objects on seemingly hard to get to places.

Yes. Ok. But that changes the whole gameplay and level design. So, no, not in my game. All games can't be similar, anyway.

By tfh

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16-10-2022, 13:20

Bengalack wrote:

:D LOL!

/edit/
OK, it seems the smileys don't work... Ahum...

By Rataplan

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20-10-2022, 07:56

Wow.. this is just stunning. Congratulations for the crew, my hats off to you. I'm currently on vacation, but couldn't resist playing a bit on webmsx on my phone for goodness sake (on the balcony with my morning coffee) and I really appreciate the pace and flow of the game. Absolutely fantastic. I've found a few hidden things, and so far it's not too hard to find.
The one criticism I have is one I share with Manuel, when you turn around the camera should (I feel at least) make a fast swoop to keep up. Now I find myself waiting for the screen to catch up as I'm afraid I run into something I couldn't see in advance. It interferes with the flow of the game.

But again, wow guys, just wow.

By AxelStone

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20-10-2022, 12:29

poke-1,170 wrote:

hmmm, got a picture of the part where you're stuck? I've scratched my head quite a few times, but usually the solution is in the screen where you're facing the problem. Could either be a hidden block, or a secret entrance (like bonus levels) in a tree trunk for instance.
I've save stated my way through the game (booooo, cheater!) but there's still loads of stuff I haven't figured out in terms of hidden levels or bits that I couldn't access. That would definitely be replay value for me Smile

Do you use OpenMSX? In BlueMSX the save state doesn't work, the game gets freezed.

By wolf_

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20-10-2022, 13:02

The audio isn't accurate in blueMSX anyway, better use openMSX or TRT (tm). Wink

By Bengalack

Hero (658)

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03-11-2022, 10:10

Lilly's Saga just got a shiny new patch-version Smile

Bugfixes and polish. Download this and replace your old ROM to get a better experience.
https://www.msxdev.org/2022/10/05/msxdev22-31-lillys-saga-th...

Several polish and stability fixes included (see changes.txt), but worth mentioning is:
* a fix to fade-down on music which didn't always work correctly
* a fix for a potential race condition / freeze. No issues has been reported on this, but the problem was latent and had to be adressed.

Happy gaming!