1,500,000 visitors at msx.org

by snout on 28-05-2004, 17:04
Topic: MRC
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The MSX Resource Center team are extremely pleased to see that, within five months after breaking the one million visits barrier, MSX Resource Center has attracted a total amount of 1,500,000 visitors according to our Nedstat counter, which has been counting our visitors ever since August 1996.

We would like to thank all our visitors for keeping track on the latest developments of the MSX community, especially to those who signed up as a member and contributed to our website by submitting newsposts, reactions, forum posts, freeware downloads, links or any other information published on our website. If you're not a member of our website yet, don't hesitate and join now! Show the MSX Community you're (still) out there!

Comments (11)

By tfh

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28-05-2004, 17:18

Hmmmm, don't know exactly what to say about this. But you have the counter on EVERY page, which means that you have had 1,500,000 pageviews, not visitors.
This is the result @ nedsta of requesting 4 pages:

5. 28 May 17:14 Demon Internet, Netherlands, The
6. 28 May 17:14 Demon Internet, Netherlands, The
7. 28 May 17:15 Demon Internet, Netherlands, The
8. 28 May 17:15 Demon Internet, Netherlands, The

Sorry, but you should change the topic tittle.

By snout

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28-05-2004, 17:29

I'm sorry to disappoint you but the Nedstat counter is not counting 'just' pageviews. We have close to 1.500.000 'hits' every month (according to our serverlogs and an internal counter in our CMS). The 'double hit prevention' of Nedstat is crappy, but has remained unchanged since 1996. For historical reasons (read: keeping our Nedstat stats in line with the past) the stats are as correct as can-be. In other words: the growth shown by the counter is actual growth. By the way, you're not the only Demon subscriber in the world you know. Even I have Demon Tongue

By Bart

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28-05-2004, 17:32

Not many people know that Snout coded a double-count prevention around the counter. When entering MRC the nedstat code + image is shown, when clicking through in that session only the image is shown and the nedstat code is not included. Sure that's a bit crappier then counting server logs, true, but it ain't pageviews dude Smile

By tfh

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28-05-2004, 17:39

Well, there is still a difference between a page-hit and actual visitors. And the fact is that you probably haven't even reached the 1.000.000 unique-visits right now. It's nice to show of huge numbers, but it's not right.
By the way, did you know, that nedstat wanted to stop sites from doing what you are doing? According to their Terms of Use, you are only allowed to put the Nedstat code on one page.
Some sites that were also putting it in their standard lay-out (mainly weblogs) got warnings from Nedstat that if they didn't stop doing it, they were not allowed to use nedstat any more.

From Nedstat terms of use:

http://www.nedstat.com/nl/f125e150_index.htm
De teller moet zichtbaar (min 18x18 pixels) en klikbaar aanwezig zijn. Verder mag een teller maar op een pagina staan en mag er per pagina maar één teller gebruikt worden

Best Regards,

TFH

By Bart

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28-05-2004, 17:50

You don't read well do you? I just said Snout coded something around the counter that makes the nedstat counter code only appear on the page you enter on. On the other pages it's just an image. Since when are you working at NedStat btw? Or is it hard for you to see that a legitimate MSX website can be successful?

By snout

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28-05-2004, 17:51

TFH, why are you so negative about all this? True, the Nedstat counter is not the most accurate counters of them all, we only use it for historical reasons. But you can't deny that an MSX site getting 500.000 'Nedstat hits' in only 5 months is something no one had imagined several years ago, and clearly demonstrates that many people enjoy (frequently) visiting a website about MSX.

We implemented a (quite thoroughly tested) routine that does not run the Nedstat script on every page hit, giving results that are completely in line with those we had in the time we were still using frames. If Nedstat feels we're doing something wrong I'm sure they will contact us about it sooner or later.

Please, do note the 'According to Nedstat' in our newspost. Rest assured, our serverlogs and stats generated from them show huge numbers as well. Tongue

By tfh

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28-05-2004, 18:03

Don't get me wrong... It's good to see that an MSX-site is generating this kind of traffic and drives high numbers of visitors to their site. MRC gives a lot of usefull information in a way that a lot of other site can only dream of. But I just want to point out that you have never had 1,500,000 visitors, and not even close to that.
Take a look at this list, which represents the last 15 minutes of nedstat stats to your site:
http://www.file-hunter.com/msx-org.txt

12 * Rima
13 * Demon
6 * Telecom Argentina
3 * 69.141.182.x
and some more doubles.

As you can see, stil a lit of unique visitors as well, but also a lot more doubles than that can be explained by: Well, there were 12 people browsing our site through Rima in the last 15 minutes.
For the rest, it's easy to give sarcastic remarks like: Wow, since when do you work at Nedstat. You know I don't, so don't go there, ok?

Just be realistic about the number of visitors on your site, that's all! And don't get all angry at me for pointing this out.

Thanks!

By snout

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28-05-2004, 18:42

Stating that the MRC is not even close to attracting 1.500.000 unique visitors is a very bold statement if you don't have access to the serverlogs of our website. Sure. 'Visitors' isn't the most correct term to use with 'Nedstat hits', but pageviews is even less correct, as we receive many many many many many more pageviews a day than Nedstat is reporting. You can't blame the MRC for the flaws in Nedstat. I'm sure you remember the double entries in the last visitors block from the time that the MEP was still attracting a lot of visitors. Using frames or not, this is a problem that is relevant to all Nedstat counters. We have always used the term 'visitors' when referring to our Nedstat counter and I see no reason to do otherwise this time.

By tfh

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28-05-2004, 23:31

Yep, we had that problem on the MEP as well, but only far less. At first we had the nedstat counter in the menu, which didn't change if another page was requested. We had a different counter on each page. This way we could also track the number of visitors for each site. MEP had about 40 different nedstat counters.
When we changed to PHP, we moved the maincounter to the news page, which as only showed when you entered the site, or when you rechecked the news later on. This also gave some doubles, but no as many as with the system you are using now.

And about me making a bold statement? Of course the 15 minutes I logged is not very representative. But, out of 62 entries, I get 23 unique ones. You do the math Smile

By tfh

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28-05-2004, 23:33

@Bart...
Well, about me not reading well... I already started making that reply BEFORE you posted your message. But I got a phonecall in between, so I finished it later then yours. I hope it's not too hard for you to follow that.

By IC

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29-05-2004, 16:21

So if I read it right: it are SessionID's! Not VisitorID's

If I would close my browser, and reactivate it (and I do that alot) its basic a new visitor when it is refering to SessionId's.

But congrats anyways...

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