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Van MsxKun

Paladin (924)

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17-05-2012, 13:37

I can't compose a shit Sad But I like to record some sounds from my MSX, Moog or using some VSTis and mix and tweak everything into Ableton Live the way it doesn't make my ears bleed too much Big smile I can't get used to trackers, cause I can't make melodies... maybe 4 notes in a row is my personal record Nishi But tweak the wav shape in the sequencer, loop some stuff, add some FX, put some random notes (specially square waves), some patterns, some beat, add some random MSX speech and noises, specially some noise... it's fun Running Naked in a Field of Flowers

Van MrRudi

Hero (515)

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17-05-2012, 16:38

LOL I actually might be the only one here *not* using a tracker. Of course I wrote music in Soundtracker, Moonblaster and both OPL4 versions for a long time. Even before any of you nitwits knew the program existed (yay for being friends with Remco back then). I worked in Madtracker a couple of time too, but when I switched from writing music on MSX to writing music on synthesizers, I switched to an actual midi sequencer. As far as I remember, back then (mid 90s) there were no real tracker tools out there that you could use to compose for external instruments. You had Cubase and Cakewalk and that was pretty much it. Although I recall that Loek used a different sequencer, Notator or something like that.

Once you get used to actual composing in "sheet music" as some friends once called my habit of sequencing in staff view, with simultaneous knobs for pan, velocity, and volume, and all the additional controllers....I couldn't go back to tracking. Sure you can do a lot of the same things in trackers but I rather look at a graph of a controller that I can draw, then to fill out 1000 status bytes in a tiny column that uses hex notation too (that is a short overview of my experiences with Madtracker). As for writing on MSX in Moonblaster itself, even with MIDI output, I couldn't do it. As the tiniest example why not: I use "grace-notes" in almost everything, that play for 5 milliseconds in front of the actual note...can't do that with a hard 16-steps-a-measure notation like Moonblaster.

As for method, perhaps it is interesting to some if I post WIPs and work files for an arrangement I am starting to think about (thanks again Wolf_ Tongue) involving two songs from Samurai (or Ganbare Goemon whatever the actual name of it was). My writing - and arranging - is not a very linear process anymore =) although with Goemon there were apparently no MIDI files out there, so I had to sequence the original first...that is always step 1 Smile

Van anonymous

incognito ergo sum (109)

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17-05-2012, 17:47

As for grace notes, have you seen this?

Resolution is custom, but I tend to just keep it at its default of 6, with that I can do 32th notes, triplets, trills, quick runs, grace notes, minor timing shifts etc. And this view mode can be collapsed on/off, so you won't have to suffer "MB speed 23" situations where notes pass by faster than you are able to note..

Van MrRudi

Hero (515)

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17-05-2012, 18:14

Oh I was already certain that more modern trackers have that functionality (plus I *have* heard your music), which is why I specifically mentioned Moonblaster.

Van Meits

Scribe (5636)

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17-05-2012, 19:20

Quote:

As the tiniest example why not: I use "grace-notes" in almost everything, that play for 5 milliseconds in front of the actual note...can't do that with a hard 16-steps-a-measure notation like Moonblaster.

You can't do that in Moonblaster indeed, but you can put it in the result. The mixing is not done on an MSX. A multitracker like Vegas can help you out on that matter. It does for me...
Haven't done any acoustic guitar sessions on it though, but there it might come in handy Wink

Van Jorito

Mr. Ambassadors (1761)

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17-05-2012, 19:43

I actually have been working on a song today, the introdemo of Undeadline. Originally I was gonna do a song from Contra, but that one is still stuck on the TODO list.

Since I was a bit rusty (it's over a year ago I worked on some music in Renoise) I had to relearn some keys. Also I took this opportunity to play with my sound libraries around a bit, so my work was mostly experimental this time.

As MrRudi says, sequencing the original is the first thing to do. Fortunately I already covered this song once in Moonblaster. So the sequencing was more or less typing over the notes from the Moonblaster screen next to me Smile Unfortunately I didn't cover the calm intro part originally (with the chords and the flute), but that was very easy to do anyways.

Now, with the sequencing out of the way, I played with music instruments and styles a bit. This kinda resulted in a Frankenstein tune: the calm intro part is done with synths (sweeps/pads and a sine lead), the second part (with the harpsicord melody on the MSX) uses a harp, some horns and a violin, and the last part (where the drums kick in) is complete guitar madness with heavy metal guitars.

In general I don't like to do so much variations in a song as it gets messy. But I haven't decided yet if I'll to a synth track, or orchestral or rock. In either case I feel like studying some music theory on all those styles anyways (Youtube is a great resource for that!), so it's unclear if I will ever finish this song or if it ends up on the pile of unfinished, unrelease songs Tongue

About grace notes: no problem in Renoise either. I watched some nice Renoise videos on Youtube and was amazed at how flexible this tool actually is! You definitely can do the same stuff as in other DAWs, only you now have a tracker interface to do it with. And it's more stable for me than the Cakewalk Sonar I used previously...

Van JohnHassink

Ambassador (5417)

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17-05-2012, 19:50

Jorito wrote:

I actually have been working on a song today, the introdemo of Undeadline.

Interesting! By the way, is the arrangement on Carbuncle Big Band yours, too?

Van Jorito

Mr. Ambassadors (1761)

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17-05-2012, 20:07

Yes, it is! That's actuallythe mbm file I stole the notes from... Only to find out that I transposed that file by 3 notes for whatever reason. Maybe it was the speed of my tape recorder, as I vividly remember transcribing the entire song from a tape (play, listen, rewind, rinse&repeat)...

Van MrRudi

Hero (515)

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17-05-2012, 22:26

Love the introdemo of Undeadline...I remember Bart (low profile) once started an arrangement of it too which was very very good, he just never finished it Sad

By the way, I always keep my original source file after I sequence the original, maybe it's an idea to make these publically available as midi or sheet music? Thus creating the grand MSX Songbook if all the arrangers out there do it Smile

Van Jorito

Mr. Ambassadors (1761)

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17-05-2012, 22:52

I still have most of my songs in Cakewalk format, so that's doable. If somebody can convert those files to midi files, as I don't have Windows anymore to do it myself Smile

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