#msxdev Compo 2014: Pointless Fighting announced

In 2011, norakomi started working on a MSX2 version of Street Fighter 2. He successfully created a promising prototype in 2 months time. However for various reasons he never finished it and it was never shown to the public until last year's Barcelona RU. Footage and pictures found their way to the web and sparked the interest of many fans who tried convincing norakomi to resume the project. Some time later the decision was made that the game would be finished by another team.

Now, with less than 6 months until the deadline, Baka-Yo! Softcorp has decided to make it official, announcing "Pointless Fighting" as the very first entry of #msxdev Compo 2014! They certainly have their work cut out for them. The game will no doubt be highly anticipated and looks set to raise the bar on MSX2 development.

The current requirements for running this game are a MSX2 with 128kB RAM and a 4MB FlashROM, but in order to make the game accessible to more MSX users, these may be changed to 256kB RAM and MSX-DOS2. It will support keyboard and joysticks, including Joymega-adapter with Sega 6-button devices. MSX-MUSIC and MoonSound are also supported.

Relevant link: #msxdev Compo

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Van valkyre

Hero (607)

10-07-2014, 15:33

Sweet .

Van syn

Prophet (2096)

10-07-2014, 16:20

I updated the newspost with some bigger screenshots and titlescreen. Enjoy!

Van JohnHassink

Ambassador (5604)

10-07-2014, 17:54

This is great news, but how does raising the requirements make it more accessible?

Van GuilianSeed

Master (157)

10-07-2014, 18:12

YEAH !!!

Van Latok

msx guru (3867)

10-07-2014, 18:34

JohnHassink wrote:

This is great news, but how does raising the requirements make it more accessible?

Well, more people have 256kb ram and dos2 than a 4mb flashrom....

Great game!

Van syn

Prophet (2096)

10-07-2014, 19:23

John it is like this:

Option A: 128KB ram + a flashrom that containts 4MB or more.

Option B: 256KB ram + DOS2 + sd/cf/ide etc

Option A means you HAVE to have a MegaFlashROM SCC+ SD (or the one with mapper) since that is the only device that has a big enough flashrom to fit that, while looking at option B, I would think almost everyone has that amount of RAM and some big storage.

But not everyone has a MegaFlashROM SCC+ SD. From what I can tell there are people who only have a older flashrom with 512KB. And some people, like me, who don't even have a flashrom (I have playsoniq though)

If you look at it the other way around, everyone who has a MegaFlashROM SCC+ SD + Mapper can play option B, as well as option A.

And I think most people with a MegaFlashROM SCC+ SD (without mapper) will have 256KB or more, otherwise they would have bought/upgraded it with the mapper.

So in my humble opinion, more people would be able to play the game if the developers went for option B.

Anyway like I said in my newspost, option B is a POSSIBLE plan for the future, so for now it is only option a, the 4MB ROM version.

Van Ivan

Ascended (9305)

10-07-2014, 20:16

So is the MSX2 version of Street Figther 2 being developed?

Van Daemos

Paragon (1964)

10-07-2014, 20:18

This is the MSX2 version of streetfighter

Good job guys. Trowing it into a compo garantuees it to get it finished very good

Any plans to go to the extreme and add optional side scrolling or do you stick to the same plan as norakomi at the time?

Van Manuel

Ascended (18781)

10-07-2014, 21:26

Awesome, I hope that this one will get finished... If I can help by writing scripts to exract data from the SNES game (or whatever version), let me know. (But you sort out where the stuff is located)

Van DanySoft

Champion (452)

10-07-2014, 22:07

Ok, but it was necessary to add additional 4Mb on a single cartridge?
Maximum 4Mb for 1 cartridge. For other data, add more cartridges. Is it worth it to mount an expansion slot x 4.
This amounts to 16Mb.

Bravo, the programmer!

Greetings.
DanySoft

Van anonymous

incognito ergo sum (116)

10-07-2014, 23:16

I Hope these requirements (128kb or 256kb) dont make a bad playable game.

Congrats!

Van DanySoft

Champion (452)

11-07-2014, 00:14

DanySoft

Van JohnHassink

Ambassador (5604)

11-07-2014, 01:27

syn wrote:

John it is like this:

Option A: 128KB ram + a flashrom that containts 4MB or more.

Option B: 256KB ram + DOS2 + sd/cf/ide etc

Ah, I see. I kind of missed the flashrom part.

Van AxelStone

Prophet (3105)

11-07-2014, 08:29

Simply brilliant. 4Mb Flashrom is not really a problem, since megaflashrom scc+ is a very usual hardware piece for MSX users.

Good luck!!

Van Daemos

Paragon (1964)

11-07-2014, 20:11

My feeling says that next year will be a very good MSX2 year

Van tonigalvez

Champion (310)

12-07-2014, 17:25

I am sure that the story of all the characters are not pointless, I should change the name to other more apropiate, like "Fighting Strong" or something like "Legend of the golden fist".

Van syn

Prophet (2096)

12-07-2014, 18:31

hah legend of the golden fist sound like some cheap 90's martial arts flick
which is actually pretty in-line with a remake of sf2 since its from the same era

Daemos wrote:

My feeling says that next year will be a very good MSX2 year

If all the previously planned stuff is gonna be released later this year or next year, we surely are in for a treat exciting times indeed!

Van Randam

Paragon (1430)

12-07-2014, 23:11

If you are using (parts) of the SF2 story for chars, note that the japanese version has extra stuff in their profiles like, likes and dislikes and what not.

Van KdL

Paragon (1434)

13-07-2014, 00:00

Great game but I think it is pointless to change the orginal name if many graphics is ripped.......

Van syn

Prophet (2096)

13-07-2014, 11:29

KdL wrote:

Great game but I think it is pointless to change

haha i see what you did there

Van Pac

Scribe (6688)

13-07-2014, 12:28

Agree with KdL but I would keep the same concept than Sonyc changing a single letter or similar to avoid possible problems...

Van syn

Prophet (2096)

13-07-2014, 13:42

I suggest Street Fyghter 2

Van snout

Ascended (15187)

13-07-2014, 15:22

Feet Strighter 2

Van Grauw

Ascended (10578)

13-07-2014, 15:43

Straatvechter 2

Van iamweasel2

Paladin (705)

13-07-2014, 17:03

I liked Pointless Fighting. It has the right amount of humour since in the fighting games (and movies as well) you normally don't have an elaborated back story, so everything seems kind of pointless.

Van max_iwamoto

Hero (586)

13-07-2014, 18:22

Actually in Street Fighter 2 every character have a back story. I am not sure about SNES version, but in Amiga version was different ending for each fighter.

Van syn

Prophet (2096)

13-07-2014, 22:03

max_iwamoto wrote:

Actually in Street Fighter 2 every character have a back story. I am not sure about SNES version, but in Amiga version was different ending for each fighter.

In the Street Fighter franchise, all characters have backstories, some more interesting than others.

Personally I don't pay attention much to storylines when playing SF, I am usually more interested in practicing moves execution and combos and stuff

Van edoz

Prophet (2440)

13-07-2014, 20:46

How cool This game.. Would be cool To have a gfx9000 version also.. With all the special effects

Van KdL

Paragon (1434)

14-07-2014, 00:11

the correct title could be "Street Fighter MSX2"

Van Daemos

Paragon (1964)

14-07-2014, 00:15

Quote:

the correct title could be "Street Fighter MSX2"

I modestly tend to agree with this one.

Van syn

Prophet (2096)

14-07-2014, 00:31

I don't think there is a "correct" title since it is a fan remake and not an official port. What I mean is, in this case any title can be the correct one.

Van Konamito

Paragon (1038)

14-07-2014, 00:34

Looks promising!

Van ericb59

Paragon (1071)

14-07-2014, 07:46

I'm very exiting to see this game, and playing it...
But, I 'm suprised to see it as first entry at MSX Dev compo...
because of this rule :
"Ripped graphics or music are discouraged and will be penalised as the judges see fit. " ?

http://msxbanzai.tni.nl/compo/rules.html

Van Manuel

Ascended (18781)

14-07-2014, 09:39

Who said the graphics/music will be ripped?

Also, perhaps the rule meant 'ripped from other MSX software'?

Van syn

Prophet (2096)

14-07-2014, 12:53

Discouraged as in: "rather not, we prefer not, but if you really must then do it!"

In other words, if someone submits an entry with ripped gfx, it is allowed, but has to keep in mind that his overall score/ranking may be a bit lower due to (lack of) originality (hence the "penalty").

Van ericb59

Paragon (1071)

14-07-2014, 11:22

Manuel wrote:

Who said the graphics/music will be ripped?

Pictured we can see of the game, have ripped graphics...

Manuel wrote:

Also, perhaps the rule meant 'ripped from other MSX software'?

As this is not specified. I think this must be understand in the largest appreciation.

Van manolito74

Paragon (1220)

14-07-2014, 17:18

Is the Game available to Download?

Van boblet

Master (187)

14-07-2014, 18:36

You can download it now, but there seems to be a 14711089 second lag on the ftp server.

Van iamweasel2

Paladin (705)

14-07-2014, 18:48

manolito74 wrote:

Is the Game available to Download?

Ask again in six months.

Van manolito74

Paragon (1220)

14-07-2014, 18:48

And was the url to Download it?

¡Thanks! ;-)

Van mars2000you

Enlighted (6218)

14-07-2014, 18:52

Do you have read the news ? It's a contest and the game is still in development. There is (and was) no any URL to download the game. You are too impatient !

Van manolito74

Paragon (1220)

14-07-2014, 18:54

Ok. Sorry, I see. :-(

I think is true: I am too impatient. :-(

Van snout

Ascended (15187)

14-07-2014, 19:33

changed the title of the news post to make more clear it is an announcement at this stage.

Van syn

Prophet (2096)

15-07-2014, 01:01

Thanks for clearing up that confusion snout

Van edoz

Prophet (2440)

01-08-2014, 15:16

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xI284D4y1q4

Amazing game .. if I look to this back I remember the days I wend to arcade halls to enjoy this nice game !! :D

Van spl

Paragon (1470)

09-01-2015, 12:44

KdL wrote:

Great game but I think it is pointless to change the orginal name if many graphics is ripped.......

I agree, the new Title Screen is sooo horrible

Van iamweasel2

Paladin (705)

09-01-2015, 17:14

spl wrote:

KdL wrote:

Great game but I think it is pointless to change the orginal name if many graphics is ripped.......

I agree, the new Title Screen is sooo horrible

Well, I liked the title screen. Besides, I believe the developer should have the right to decide what he thinks is best for everything related to the game he created. Maybe it is just me, but I loved the title (Pointless Fighting).

Van DanySoft

Champion (452)

16-08-2019, 21:47

Hi, I have something about the speed of the Z80 when writing on vram (Pointless Fighting):
But it was impossible to perform the copy using COPY (x, y) - (x2, y2), pag to (I, J), destpag, arg?
Is the speed of 0x98 higher than that of the MSX-VIDEO?

I have read all the posts in this game forum "Pointless Fighting"....
in code Z80, was it fast with "OTIR" or OUTI ?

To go faster in the shortest cycle time, how do you solve the problem?
All we have to do is wish for the work of his program. But in my opinion the game runs well, but I am not convinced that the speed 0x98 was faster than the HMMM (LOW or HIGH ?)
Good luck!

DanySoft

Van Grauw

Ascended (10578)

16-08-2019, 23:30

It depends on whether sprites are enabled. Max throughput of OUTI per 60 Hz frame is 59736 / 18 = 3319 bytes. Throughput of HMMM is 2784 bytes/frame when sprites are enabled, and 3616 bytes/frame when sprites are disabled (source).

The fastest is to do both OUTI to 98h on the CPU and use the HMMM VDP command in parallel. Although writing to VRAM with OUTIs slows down the command execution, the total amount of bytes transferred is still higher. I think I read this is what Pointless Fighting does.

Van KdL

Paragon (1434)

19-08-2019, 09:10

iamweasel2 wrote:

It is correct to think as you say but it would be more correct to think of redoing all the graphics/musics/i.a. inside the game and devising a Pointless Fighting for MSX2 that has nothing to do with Street Fighter II of Capcom.

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