Modulon MSX Slot Expander

Modulon MSX Slot Expander

van Sander op 10-12-2014, 23:15
Onderwerp: Hardware
Labels: Modulon, Supersoniqs
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The SuperSoniqs Modulon 4 Port Slot Expander is now on Sale.

It features the following:

  • It works with the PlaySoniq (Up to 4MB memory, all other functions supported)
  • Has it own 3.57 Mhz crystal (clock) to support (audio)cartridges in overclocked systems
  • Can be stacked with additional Modulons for extra slots. The second expander (and up) will act as I/O expander(s).
  • Supports an external AC Adapter
  • Uses standard components for future modifications or repairs
  • The three top slots are on/off switchable
  • Compact design
  • Gold plated contacts
  • Busdir Support
  • Separate volume adjusters for all four slots.

The casing will be 3D printed on demand and you can choose between eleven colors. Pick-up at the Nijmegen MSX fair will be possible. Price is set at 100 euros.

Relevant link: SuperSoniqs website

Reacties (56)

Van giuseve

Paladin (751)

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11-12-2014, 07:05

Very interesting and complete hw support.
Anyway it is more expensive than my MSX.
I mean, my target is to use only msx.audio and msx.music cartridges simultaneously.
Maybe a light version (without overclocking, powersupport) with only2 slots and volume switch would be enough for me.
Any project about this?

Van o.geerdink

Hero (585)

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11-12-2014, 08:10

My msx cost about 2500 guilders when I came out. Can't compare prices that way. For what you get if you need it the price is very good.

Van gdx

Enlighted (5480)

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11-12-2014, 08:36

The cartridge connectors and the casing are expensive. In addition the PCB is big. It is difficult to make a cheap homemade expander for sale.

Van ro

Scribe (4696)

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11-12-2014, 08:54

It looks like great value for little money. No cheap hardware in my house. need rock-solid stuff. Smile

Van WORP3

Paladin (855)

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11-12-2014, 10:00

Very nice product, congrats !
€100 isn't a lot of money knowing that the housing is custom made/printed and that there is also a nice assembled pcb inside with a lot of expensive connectors. Also these devices are made in the tens instead of millions, which will drive the price enormously.

Van Retrofan

Paragon (1264)

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11-12-2014, 10:46

Cool item! But what about adding an additional flatcable like the Gouda and MK slotexpander?

Van Lord_Zett

Paladin (807)

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11-12-2014, 12:31

damn it. good work!!!. love the case. just bought some months ago a older slotexpander.

hmmm

Van Manuel

Ascended (18779)

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11-12-2014, 14:34

a flat cable would be nice indeed, because there can be quite heavy and long cartridges (like Music Module), imagine those in a Modulon in a VG 8020 or other MSX with only top cartridge slots.

Van Prodatron

Paragon (1810)

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11-12-2014, 15:06

Looking forward to have a look at them in Nijmegen! It's interesting, that it works with the PlaySoniq, as I heard, that this already has an internal slot expander?

Van meits

Scribe (6498)

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11-12-2014, 15:30

@Manuel: Sony 500,700,900 users are totally stuck without a flatcable...

Van Retrofan

Paragon (1264)

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11-12-2014, 16:21

@Meits: 1chipMSX users as well...

Van giuseve

Paladin (751)

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11-12-2014, 18:05

@Lord_Zett
Let's make a deal !
You can sell me your older one so you can buy this one.
Could you be interested in?
If you want let me see what you get and tell me if it works with FM-PAC + MUSIC MODULE
My mail giuseve AT libero DOT it

Van flyguille

Prophet (3028)

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11-12-2014, 18:26

wich side is the PIN 1? the one that has the switches or the other?

Van raymond

Hero (598)

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11-12-2014, 18:47

Manuel wrote:

a flat cable would be nice indeed, because there can be quite heavy and long cartridges (like Music Module), imagine those in a Modulon in a VG 8020 or other MSX with only top cartridge slots.

Looks like a very nice product, however I agree with Manuel, that a version with flatcable would be needed with a lot of MSX machines. I prefer it as well for my Turbo R, just to have not so many weight on the cartridge connector on the back.

Van Retrofan

Paragon (1264)

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11-12-2014, 19:31

Maybe Supersoniqs can release the flatcable (with separated Konami case sized cartridges on both sides) as add-on? That would be even better! People can then decide to use it or not depending on which MSX model is used.

Van flyguille

Prophet (3028)

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11-12-2014, 19:48

I asked wich side is the pin1, because if the pin1 is the side that don't has the switches, so any cartridge plugged will be facing over the cursor keys, atleast in my msx, and the secondary slot is not for a cartridge like connector, it is named BUS EXPANSION like a IDE connector but 50 pins.

Van Manuel

Ascended (18779)

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11-12-2014, 20:22

Meits: well, the Sony 900 has a back side cart slot too, so that will work, although (like with most models) it may give quite some stress on the connector/PCB and slot expander PCB.

Van meits

Scribe (6498)

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11-12-2014, 21:38

The design has been made to fit the MT Telcom modem case. Now I read that most of the collected cases went broken and Supersoniqs found a solution in 3D printing. So, the PCB is already designed so there's no other way than using that design.
How nice it would have been if this was known before so they chose for the regular slot expander design.
I really do like the features of Modulon, but since it's all in one cartridge I have no use for it. I'd love to have those features in my Gouda 5.0 slotexpanders in stead...

Van Grauw

Ascended (10577)

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11-12-2014, 22:29

I think it’s pretty sweet, slot expanders don’t grow on trees after all especially not those with a proper case and all those nice features, but everyone is getting obsessed about the extension cable…

Just buy a male and a female EDGE connector and a flatcable and make one yourself! Smile

Here: http://www.ebsoft.fr/shop/en/home/21-bradboard-kit.html

Van Latok

msx guru (3867)

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11-12-2014, 22:35

Hear hear Grauw Smile

Van Manuel

Ascended (18779)

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11-12-2014, 22:46

Perhaps it would be a nice service of SuperSoniqs to optionally include such an assembled "cable" (with the right length: too long will cause failure) for a fair price.

Van mau_rizio

Resident (49)

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11-12-2014, 23:41

Why not so sell it without the case? I will be cheaper and less problems making the case.

Van st1mpy

Paladin (850)

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11-12-2014, 23:59

Modulon is very cheap for what it offers, if you want a cheaper basic expander, the one sold from the Repro Factory is available too.

Van meits

Scribe (6498)

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12-12-2014, 00:17

There is nothing wrong with the price at all... For its features it can be considered the cheapest... Supersonics always know how to cram the craziest of features intro a cartridges, features you'd never expect... And then all is assembled friggin' professionally... Imho they're in the top three of leading hardware designers AND producers... How often have we seen designs of great stuff that never got past a (half) finished prototype...
I like them, their ideas, their stuff and above all, their service and comunications...
And if a extension cable becomes available with two foolproof connectors on each side I am surely ordering one, eventhough I already have two of the slotexpanders I consider the second best after Modulon Smile

Van KdL

Paragon (1434)

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12-12-2014, 00:22

I like this expander! Big smile

Van syn

Prophet (2096)

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12-12-2014, 00:26

lol
ppl making hardware without case: "PLEASE give me a case"
ppl making hardware with case "I don't need a case"

Like st1mpy said 100 euros is a good price a slotexpander especially considering the extra functionality.. I paid about 100-120 or so for a second hand gouda 5.0 which is the average price I have seen them go.

Great job, the case looks excellent.

Van max_iwamoto

Hero (586)

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12-12-2014, 04:22

Nice Expander! I would like one too. And also would like a cable with it for few extra $$$.

Van boblet

Master (187)

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12-12-2014, 15:47

If people don't like the case I'm sure they can just take the case off Tongue

Maybe when there's demand for 10,000 of them you can get them for under €20 a go, as it is making a physical thing in small quantities it's doing well if it's only €100.

I wonder how many of them you could daisy chain together, I want to see the super desk eating expanded many modulon MSX monster thing Big smile

Van Lord_Zett

Paladin (807)

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12-12-2014, 16:55

giuseve wrote:

@Lord_Zett
Let's make a deal !
You can sell me your older one so you can buy this one.
Could you be interested in?
If you want let me see what you get and tell me if it works with FM-PAC + MUSIC MODULE
My mail giuseve AT libero DOT it

its a idea.

Van Lord_Zett

Paladin (807)

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12-12-2014, 16:57

if im getting on i need blue!!! darkstonne blue. damn.... f*ck the cable this is good hardware!!!

hail the SuperSoniqs Hardware Hero's!

Van Ivan

Ascended (9305)

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12-12-2014, 22:28

Wow! Nice MSX slot expander. A really good alternative to Carchano's Mini Slotexpander (hard to find nowadays).

Van giuseve

Paladin (751)

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13-12-2014, 08:53

Lord_Zett wrote:
giuseve wrote:

@Lord_Zett
Let's make a deal !
You can sell me your older one so you can buy this one.
Could you be interested in?
If you want let me see what you get and tell me if it works with FM-PAC + MUSIC MODULE
My mail giuseve AT libero DOT it

its a idea.

Ok, send me a mail with some photos of your expander and make your request including an insured shipping to italy.

Van Sander

Founder (1868)

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14-12-2014, 11:49

We will investigate building a connector cable. However, designing the pcb's for both end of the connector, scout cartridges for one end and 3D design the other end and print it, order the pcb's and cables, test it... Well, looking at the time it took us to get from idea to final product (2 years) for the Modulon I'm afraid we will not satisfy everyone needs on short notice.

Van Manuel

Ascended (18779)

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14-12-2014, 14:02

But you don't have to! Just make sure you're having fun doing it Smile Thanks a lot for offering this great new hardware to the MSX community! Much appreciated.

Van Sander

Founder (1868)

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14-12-2014, 15:06

Thnx. BTW: If people really want to order it without the case, mail me and we work something out.

Van st1mpy

Paladin (850)

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14-12-2014, 18:18

Regarding the connector cable for use in MSXs with inconvenient slot position, this cable must be the simplest and the cheapest solution, and every MSX user should be able to make this cheaply.

Van Retrofan

Paragon (1264)

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14-12-2014, 18:27

@st1mpy: nice! Can you build one for me? Perhaps you could sell more of them (Multi-order) like I did with the DalSoRi Wink And maybe you also could put the cartridgeconnector inside an Overrich cartridge? (like the MK/Gouda slotexpander, cartridge is the same as DalSoRi)

Van st1mpy

Paladin (850)

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14-12-2014, 18:31

I actually want to make one atleast because when I inserted philips music module in the sony hb-f700 it covers the slot next to it as well... this might be a common problem with many cartridges/machine combo.
I'll try to source the parts anyway.

Van Grauw

Ascended (10577)

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14-12-2014, 19:17

Just gotta worry about not connecting the ends in the wrong way. Better to put a cartridge at least around the MSX end.

Van Manuel

Ascended (18779)

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14-12-2014, 22:08

Yeah, I arleady blew up a game and slot expander because I inserted it wrongly (it didn't have a case). I'm glad my GT survived it though.

Van roadfighter

Champion (437)

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19-12-2014, 12:27

Grauw wrote:

Just gotta worry about not connecting the ends in the wrong way. Better to put a cartridge at least around the MSX end.

Hmmm but then they will insert the cartridge in the wrong way at the end of the flat cable ..... Using such a cable is tricky as it is.
Like Sander stated you need something on both end so you wont make that mistake.
Making a cable like this is easy if you can obtain the components,witch is probably more difficult then it seams.
And then you have to use it wisely.
For those who don't see that this is a great product for the price, maybe Ericb can provide his slot expander [url=http://www.ebsoft.fr/shop/en/home/20-expander-4x-.html[/url]
Great work Supersonics, keep it up.

Van Randam

Paragon (1430)

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19-12-2014, 17:12

Will there be modulons that can be bought at the fair or do you have to make a reservation or something?

Van Grauw

Ascended (10577)

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19-12-2014, 19:34

roadfighter wrote:
Grauw wrote:

Just gotta worry about not connecting the ends in the wrong way. Better to put a cartridge at least around the MSX end.

Hmmm but then they will insert the cartridge in the wrong way at the end of the flat cable ..... Using such a cable is tricky as it is.

Yes but at least you can plug that side in correctly once and never disconnect it :).

Van Sander

Founder (1868)

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20-12-2014, 22:04

@Randam: we will try to print some more, but since it takes about 17 hours to print one, and looking at the orders coming in it's best you order one, pay for it, so it can go into the order queue of the 3D printing factory. Pick up at Nijmegen is no problem. But visitors with paid reservations will be served first, naturally.

Van st1mpy

Paladin (850)

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03-01-2015, 15:17

Received mine today! Thanks Sander!
The case is really nice.

Van svBEERs

Champion (339)

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08-01-2015, 17:11

Yesterday I´ve received my “modulon” at home. I haven’t had too much time to test it but it looks reaaaally awesome. Congratulations to all “SuperSoniqs” people for its amazing job!!!

Van karloch

Prophet (2157)

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09-01-2015, 22:45

I filled the order a month ago form but I got no answer... Will try again.

Van st1mpy

Paladin (850)

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19-01-2015, 20:21

The on/off switch is great, used it to run SD Snatcher sound through my F1 Spirit SCC.

Van msxtrd

Champion (259)

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10-12-2016, 11:11

Any information on when it might get available again? =)

Van msxtrd

Champion (259)

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10-12-2016, 11:14

Does someone have the name of the socket? Just want to know what to search for. (regarding the socket on the adapter cable pictured above).

Van djh1697

Paragon (1635)

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11-12-2016, 20:53

Van Albert Pieter Dotinga

Resident (39)

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31-01-2017, 18:44

Hello who was looking for MT Telcom modem cases i got abouth 6 for sale incl modem Smile2

Van enribar

Paragon (1170)

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31-01-2017, 22:11

I'm interested to buy a Modulon, but I wrote to SuperSoniqs and didn't have answer...
Are Modulons still available to purchase?

Van syn

Prophet (2096)

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31-01-2017, 22:16

I saw a picture of a box full of pcbs on facebook, there is a new batch coming.

Not finished yet though. Probably best to wait for the official announcement. I am interested in one too.

Van Sander

Founder (1868)

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31-01-2017, 23:08

Everyone who order stuff that's not available (yet) is automatically put on the reservelist for that item. Currently we are busy with shipping out MIDI-PAC2's for people who reserved a MIDI-PAC some months ago. We will get back to everyone who send in mails or orders, eventually.

Van Sander

Founder (1868)

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31-01-2017, 23:12

Modulon will be available again when we got the enclosures ready. We have no estimate at the moment. If you want one, make an order and we put you on the reservelist. If you have ordered this item before (when it was out of stock), you are already on the reservelist. Don't wait to long: this batch is, when it's finished, for a big part already reserved.