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Van mars2000you

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05-04-2020, 14:53

pgimeno wrote:

I suggest to add Yamaha AX-150 redirecting to Sakhr AX-150.

Good suggestion .... I've just created this redirection.

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Where does the memory map come from? In my model, the Arabic ROM is in subslot 1, not 3.

Probably confusion with another machine. Thanks for the info, I will fix that.

Van FiXato

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17-04-2020, 12:32

Since there are still something like 55 external links to Hans Otten's now-defunct website, should we start adding https://web.archive.org/ in front of them so they link to (hopefully) archived pages, or to TFH mirror, though he stated earlier that hotlinking was prohibited?

Van Grauw

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17-04-2020, 13:20

Where possible I would link to archive.org, e.g. the MSX turboR Technical Handbook is available here: https://archive.org/download/MsxTurboR/MsxTurboRTechnicalHan...

Van gdx

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19-04-2020, 16:01

I don't understand why the page on MSX-DOS 1 External Commands includes commands that are not from DOS but tools by various developers. Why not put them in the SceneTools section?

Van mars2000you

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19-04-2020, 16:35

I don't understand why you want to limit the external commands to 2 or 3 commands under MSX-DOS 1 and to the external commands provided with MSX-DOS 2. As explained on the general MSX-DOS page, "MSX-DOS is a flexible and extendable operating system. ", and that's the MSX spirit from the beginning.

It's also a problem of coherency. Wiki pages about MSX-DOS need to include also the updates made by some fans to the MSXDOS2.SYS and COMMAND2.COM files (MSX-DOS 2.4x and Nextor). All external commands created by fans are also updates of the MSX-DOS system, in the same way that many MSX-BASIC extensions, created by MSX fans, are updates of the MSX-BASIC language.

Don't try to say that it would be source of confusion. The Availabilty column is there to avoid that. When coming to the MSX-DOS 2 External Commands, it will allow to precise "Official external MSX-DOS 2 command" or to give the link to the diskmagazine where the command created by a fan can be found easily.

Van gdx

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19-04-2020, 17:06

You confuse "MSX-DOS 1 External Commands" with "External Commands for MSX-DOS 1".
In the second case we can include any .COM file and it doesn't make sense to create a wiki page for that. There's too much. What is consistent is to put what is included with the original MSX-DOS on the page dedicated to MSX-DOS and to put the tools in SceneTools pages. Doing it doesn't limit anything, and this avoids any incoherence in the classification or search for different .COM files and other tools in the wiki.

Van mars2000you

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19-04-2020, 17:34

If I follow your way, then at least 60% of the MSX-BASIC Extensions are Extensions for MSX-BASIC. I'm just curious to know why you did not come with this issue when you created pages about MSX-BASIC extensions not created by ASCII or another official company.

But if you want an additional category for the concerned MSX-BASIC extensions and the MSX-DOS external commands not created by ASCII or another official company, then it's simple to do, not only for MSX-DOS but also for MSX-BASIC and the Wiki will be more operational indeed.

Van Manuel

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20-04-2020, 01:08

You shouldn't give the reader the false idea that MSX DOS 1 came with all kinds of external commands.... Make it clear!

Van mars2000you

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20-04-2020, 01:37

Manuel wrote:

You shouldn't give the reader the false idea that MSX DOS 1 came with all kinds of external commands.... Make it clear!

It's already precised on this page : https://www.msx.org/wiki/Category:MSX-DOS

"Most external commands have been created and distributed apart from the official MSX-DOS / MSX-DOS 2 releases, but MSX-DOS 2 is provided with a few external commands."

but I will repeat it differently on other pages, because some people don't read the introduction page to MSX-DOS. For the MSX-DOS 1 External Commands, I've added this text at the beginning:

"MSX-DOS 1 was not provided with external commands under the form of .COM files, contrary to MSX-DOS 2. It means that all external commands for MSX-DOS 1 have been created and distributed apart from the official releases, even those created by ASCII Corporation."

Van Dolphin101546015

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20-04-2020, 05:41

I think that you should not call external utilities (that is, programs) - commands (even external).
Commands, these are direct instructions to the kernel of the operating system to perform some action that it (the kernel) can perform.
Everything that is outside, is the satellite of the operating system, and is called - utilities.
Simply put, following your logic, Linux (which is the kernel surrounded by a set of utilities)
should be called such without a set of utilities.

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