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12-07-2020, 17:23

gdx wrote:

Mars2000, You always put too much information in the tables, which makes them hard to read. Too bad.

You have never said that about the Konami page, mainly done by Rderooy https://www.msx.org/wiki/Category%3AKonami

Besides, I think it's useful to get these infos directly here on MRC without need to visit Generation MSX.

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13-07-2020, 01:40

I have not seen this table. I created the others to put information there that is not on Generation MSX or less accessible but you changed everything before I even finished. The tables were different because they were adapted according to whether we are talking about a developer or a publisher.

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13-07-2020, 02:29

I try to keep the same presentation on all Wiki category pages for the software.

Now if you think that the Konami page that exists since 4 years needs to be changed, then we can change all the other pages too. I've always followed the example given by Rderooy for this kind of infos.

For me, the only thing that should be improved is the order (Rderooy has choosen the order of the product codes, I would have preferred the alphabetical order).

And when the remarks (notes) become too long, I suggest to put them under the table (as I've made today for the Bandai page). It's a method to keep the tables nice to see.

Btw, if you want to see a page with tables very difficult to read, take a look at this page. I really don't know how to improve it...

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13-07-2020, 02:54

I think the wiki should mainly contain useful information for users. It must contain the description and remarks from our experiences. The product code and the year of release are of little use.

Normally, I agree not to put the remarks in the tables. I already pointed it out to you btw but in this case I think that since there is the link to Generation MSX, it is better to avoid doing the exact same thing again, and to put more specific tables (or lists).

For exemple, compare the two apps and games tables below, and say which one is the most interesting.

https://www.msx.org/wiki/Category:Bandai

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13-07-2020, 02:57

Maybe the Konami page is not a good example for the other pages, just simply because it's the online enhanced version of the famous Konami software list, based on the product codes.

So indeed , more simple tables can be used for the other concerned Wiki pages, and they can be in the alphabetical order. Fortunaly, there are only a few pages concerned, they can be adapted in a short time. But one last thing: don't mix applications and games.

That's OK for the Bandai page (except that I must again improve the text!). I will fix the Applications part too.

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15-07-2020, 16:06

@GDX : about this page : https://www.msx.org/wiki/EleHobby_MOVIT2_KA-MV-9505

I've adapted my text to your change BUT I think it's wrong. The original reference of the robot is MV-9505 (without KA). The KA is added when Sanyo distibutes the product.

Other examples:
* the Brother M-1024X printer becomes KA-M-1024X when distributed by Sanyo
* the HAL HJB-001 joyball becomes KA-HJB-001 when distributed by Sanyo

Besides, you can see on the MOVIT2 page two pictures of the back of the box: one without the Sanyo sticker, one with the Sanyo sticker - I thought these pictures were enough to justify my text before changing it to adapt it to the change of the page title....

My original text was:

"The Elehobby MOVIT2 MV-905 aka MSX-Wizard is the first little robot created for the MSX system. It was released in 1984 and distributed in Japan not only by its creators as MV-9505, but also by Sanyo under the reference KA-MV-9505. It was advertised as 'educational tool'."

It also means that Generation MSX is wrong about the correct original product code.

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22-07-2020, 16:39

Mars2000, are you sure the joysticks SJ-1000 are MSX compatible?

According wath I have been able to translate at the Soft BOX wiki links, the joystick port of the SPC-1000 doesn't have the same pinout as those of the MSX.

mars2000you wrote:

"The Elehobby MOVIT2 MV-905 aka MSX-Wizard is the first little robot..."

I'm not sure but MOVIT is a series of electronic kits. MOVIT2 seems to be a series of devices dedicated to programming. Among them is the Robot "MSX-Wizard".

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22-07-2020, 16:52

For the MOVIT2, I know it's part of a series but you don't citate my sentence entirely .... the forgotten part "for the MSX system" has its importance!

For the SJ-1000, I will check.

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22-07-2020, 17:12

The SJ-1000 (made for the SPC-1000) does not seem to be compatible with MSX, because the SPC-1500 is actually not compatible with the SPC-1000. This, contrary to the SJ-1500 (made for the SPC-1500).

Check first this Korean page about the SPC-1500:

https://namu.wiki/w/SPC-1500

Some excerpts:

"It (=SPC-1500) is the successor to the SPC-1000 , which was a hit by Samsung Electronics . There have been significant performance improvements, mainly in the graphics area. However, although it is nominally a successor, it is actually not compatible with the SPC-1000 at all"

"The joystick port is the same Atari 9-pin standard as Megadrive and MSX, but the joystick for MSX can be used as it is. At the time, Samsung Electronics had an MSX model called SPC-800, so it was possible to use the same Samsung joystick (SJ-1500) and to use other companies' MSX or remix sticks".

Check then the SPC-1000 page (with wrong title above the pictures!): https://namu.wiki/w/SPC-1000

Excerpt:
"Unlike most 8-bit I/O ports such as the MZ-80 series and MSX, the SPC-1000 has 16-bit I/O ports, and the video memory is a 1:1 response method from 0000h to 17FFh in the I/O memory."

Conclusion: I will 'remove' the SJ-1000 page.

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