Your choice MSX or C64

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Door Shinobi

Expert (69)

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14-11-2018, 15:54

Hi,

Several months before, I posted about C64 vs MSX and there were alot of comments comparing tech specifications between those two personal computers. Now, let's not talk specifications, let's talk about which one you prefer and why? use minimal tech specification in your argument.

For me, MSX1 especially is better since i like its simplicity and it was my first computer, and the colors are brighter also sound is cleaner, games are more robust, it could be better but it was not supported widely, you cold make Mario just like the NES if it was supported by big developers, but never mind. Take Konami games for example, they're great.

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Van Pencioner

Paladin (895)

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14-11-2018, 16:28

[offtopic] Coming to MSX forum with such questions is like coming to the church and asking "which religion is your choice" (imho)

[ontopic]
MSX of course LOL!

Van TomH

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14-11-2018, 16:46

Isn't Great Giana Sisters fairly compelling proof that Super Mario would also work on a C64?

Otherwise, it's too hard a question. The C64 is exactly one thing, the MSX is an array of things, from the lowliest 16kb MSX1 up to the you'll-never-see-one Turbo R. Though maybe if somebody went back in time and turned you into a C64 person from birth you'd have had a chance to enjoy the DTV and now the Mini.

Van Grauw

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14-11-2018, 17:01

Van Wild_Penguin

Hero (531)

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14-11-2018, 17:09

To me the minimum MSX(1) is one with 64kb of memory. Models with less existed, but were (are?) rare and unpopular.

MSX1 was also vastly more common (at least back in the day) than any other iteration of the series, so in this sense I guess it makes sense to compare C64 to it. But that doesn't mean that MSX2(+) or TurboR could not be important to some - and are still official MSXes! The question becomes much more difficult to answer if you consider them (maybe you should have limited the question to MSX1 only? You have still limited it to C64, and chose not to include C128 or even Commodore Amiga)

I prefer the MSX - and the reason I do, is that it was the system I was more familiar with in childhood (C64 was very familiar, too, though). In a single word: Nostalgia.

If I try to think objectively outside that rationale - I think I'd still prefer MSX. Somehow it is more easy to hack (both S/W and H/W), but that might be just because I'm more familiar with it. Community and vast array of old and new software makes it also more compelling (though, I'm sure there is also loads of stuff - old and new - for C64 I'm not even aware of). OTOH it was designed to be more expandable (whereas C64 was not). I can see benefits of the C64, though (better sound and video capabilities OOTB - but that didn't always translate to better games).

Van Latok

msx guru (3641)

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14-11-2018, 17:32

C64 of course.

Van hamlet

Scribe (2278)

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14-11-2018, 17:39

Me like both.

Van Meits

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14-11-2018, 17:57

I would like a C64 in my collection one day. It's just that I'm against joysticks and find the C64 cursorkeys a bit inadequate. Same goes for its basic. Somehow I'm quite impressed by what the SID chip can do. Now I do have a SID chip, but it's in a Playsoniq in stead of a C64 and there's not a way to program the SID on my MSX as far as I know.

Is there a Commodore with SID and normal cursor keys? Are there SID trackers for it?

Van TomH

Champion (327)

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14-11-2018, 18:42

Alas even the Commodore 128 has the weird two key cursors, I think. So you're stuck trying to hunt down a C65 prototype:

... which probably means spending at least a solid $20,000.

Or find a C64 DTV and solder on a PS/2 connector. Though I think its SID reimplementation doesn't have the filters. The C64 Mini has regular USB sockets but only as much of a C64 as is any other modern emulator.

Though I feel like both the SX64 and a two-box C128 exist with detachable keyboards? So you could wire up something better?

EDIT: or just buy and install one of these. Another C64 advantage is: there's so many of them around, all identical, that it doesn't feel so bad to mod one.

Van hamlet

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14-11-2018, 19:57

I did manage to connect a C64 board with a USB keyboard, housed in my LEGO case. This provides cursor keys, but like the CPC computer, they are not mentioned for playing games. ( I did get my first Amstrad a few days before and was wondering, why I had to connect a joystick to play games while the CPC has (other than the C64 layout) full cursor keys onboard.The C= has been more a joystick computer, what makes the biggest difference to MSX for me. But I do have some nice SID trackers, which would make you very happy, Meits! But after all, I do like the PSG sound much more than the C's SID.

Van edoz

Prophet (2136)

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14-11-2018, 19:59

Last project i saw for C64 a time ago was "Caren and the Tangled Tentacles". Very impressive.. It looks so nice and so cool!

Youtube Link I like the part from 21:00 ... The nice shadows etc. Especially when you take the hardware in mind.

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