New Undoccumented Video Mode on MSX2.

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Van hamlet

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09-02-2020, 23:21

Patriek, please don't overdo it at this point.
That's enough acting for today.

Van Dolphin101546015

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09-02-2020, 23:16

Pencioner wrote:

But that's not a new video mode, that's a trick with interlacing/name table switching in old good well known 80 column text mode. So clickbait post title, that's it. And childish, really. Infantile

In order not to be an empty bell, you can show where this video mode was used in this form and by whom. Already passed it with a similar balalaika.

{At this point Dolphin refrains from insulting an member of the community. -hamlet}

Nothing new again, just talkie-talkie around. When I wash my hands.

Van hamlet

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09-02-2020, 23:14

Please mind your language or I have to stop this inspiring communication.

Van Dolphin101546015

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09-02-2020, 23:18

This is not my problem, as you see.
Ah, insulting me its ok, but to another side its mistake?
Dual standarts... ok.

Van Latok

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09-02-2020, 23:47

hamlet wrote:

Patriek, please don't overdo it at this point.
That's enough acting for today.

I don't see him doing things wrong at all. Only constructive content. Other participants in this thread are emotional, he isn't. And please only use nicknames, thanks Smile

Van hamlet

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09-02-2020, 23:51

I think we are speaking about different members Latok.

Van NYYRIKKI

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10-02-2020, 10:48

Dolphin101546015 wrote:

Why its SCREEN MODE?
Coz it able show ONLY TEXTS with BLINK AREAS, with DOUBLE ROW HEIGHT, newer used in MSX2 before, newer seen anywhere in MSX2....

No, it is a neat trick and 80x53 text mode, but it is not a new screen mode and definitely not "New Undoccumented Video Mode". The common understanding about what is a "screen mode" or "undocumented video mode" has been common among developers for more that 30 years already and I see no need to try to redefine the well working, clear and meaningful definition to now mean something else, no matter how cool it sounds to have tons of new video modes. On some other platform I think it could be more open to discussion, but the MSX hardware roles are so simple and clear that I see no any reason to start this kind of discussion.

I think the main reason why it has not been seen before is that there are quite a few corner cases where this is really useful. Even if you need "blink colors", it is in many cases much more meaningful to print the text in SCREEN 6 (as you can ie. do loading at the same time) Where I can see this as useful is when there is need to do large vertical character scroll or you need to redefine the blink color stuff without defining letters again... These both scenarios fall in my mind to the "quite a damn specific need" category.

This is not a fake in sense that I have no reason to believe that this would be impossible to do or anything like that. The advertisement was just a bit off, but it is not a reason for a new war either, no matter if it was marketing trick or unintentional mishap. As practical solution this might be a bit overkill when thinking CPU time needed, but definitely a nice demonstration. Since you are already doing this much, I think you could upgrade character resolution to 80x60 with pretty much same effort. (480 x 480 interlaced overscan)

Van Dolphin101546015

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10-02-2020, 11:26

First, thanx for sober answer after its all.

NYYRIKKI wrote:

No, it is a neat trick and 80x53 text mode, but it is not a new screen mode and definitely not "New Undoccumented Video Mode". The common understanding about what is a "screen mode" or "undocumented video mode" has been common among developers for more that 30 years already and I see no need to try to redefine the well working, clear and meaningful definition to now mean something else, no matter how cool it sounds to have tons of new video modes. On some other platform I think it could be more open to discussion, but the MSX hardware roles are so simple and clear that I see no any reason to start this kind of discussion.

I never told it UNDOCCUMENTED HARDWARE VIDEO MODE.
Anyway it's video mode with another representation of video memory and capabilities.
Why its useful and no an alternative?
Coz its no need so many VRAM, and have btw HARDWARE features, that allow you to display text completely in hardware, without resorting to BIOS functions.

Why it have so big meaning for me, for a sample?
Coz I - BIOS-hater.

What about wars ?! It doesn’t matter to me, let it remain the inheritance for schoolchildren.
What I showed, I wanted to give for free access, but thanks to the attitude - I just won’t.
I am sure that there are people who are able to repeat this in code, I'm not unique.
I fulfilled my main task: by showing new, useful features that no one had ever used.

Van gdx

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10-02-2020, 13:58

Dolphin101546015 wrote:

What about wars ?! It doesn’t matter to me, let it remain the inheritance for schoolchildren.
What I showed, I wanted to give for free access, but thanks to the attitude - I just won’t.

I don't understand your reaction. You disappoint all those who hoped to see it just to try to punish a person who seems to have no interest in your "new video mode". What is the logic?

Van Dolphin101546015

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10-02-2020, 14:45

I despise those who insult people, and even more so those who do this, representing an authoritative part of the community, and even more so if it is a member of such a superb group as RBSC.
And if the community encourages this, then this is the common goal of the community.

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