MSXVR - Any News?

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Door black hawk

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12-08-2020, 01:46

Still awaiting my MSX VR. Any News?

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Van santiontanon

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12-08-2020, 08:33

If you follow the youtube channel they post more or less monthly updates: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjdtQgfRiCA

But in any case, I would expect COVID will have had a significant impact on the assembling process...

Van konamiman

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12-08-2020, 10:14

For what I know the combination of COVID + summer holidays has caused significant trouble with the parts suppliers, but the team is meanwhile working on other stuff e.g. preparing the documentation. I guess they will post here as soon as they notice this thread.

Van Latok

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12-08-2020, 12:18

The team? I was under the impression it is pretty much a one-man-show. Which is amazing! But if there's a team, that's even more positive Smile

Van ray2day

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12-08-2020, 12:35

With all respect, but the project has been pushed forward way too often. Delivery has been expanded/delayed many multiple times. Especially the corona period gave lot's of time / and opportunity to assemble machines. I have paid for it (the FULL amount of money) I think in November 2019, so that is almost a year ago in September. Last time I contacted, it's said delivery is in September this year, so well... no excuses this time. This time I certainly EXPECT delivery!

Van PingPong

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12-08-2020, 12:37

Otherwise? Will you issue a legal action?
Just remember that we are all talking about hobby projects. If a company often does not respect delivery times what do you expect from a small group of people?

Van konamiman

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12-08-2020, 12:52

ray2day wrote:

Especially the corona period gave lot's of time / and opportunity to assemble machines

How are you supposed to assemble machines if you don't have the parts to assemble? Question As I said, the suppliers are the blocker here.

Van ray2day

Hero (553)

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12-08-2020, 13:07

I begun my text with: WITH ALL RESPECT. And I know it's a hobby project and I respect delivery times. AND I DO HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT for person(s) involved. But I DO NOT like to be promised a delivery time (4 times postponed!)/ deadline which CAN'T BE achieved!

(I rather be told in the beginning it would take up more than a year, then I would probably not have ordered or at least thinked about it twice before ordering (and paid, because for me it is a lot of money))

And to answer;

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How are you supposed to assemble machines if you don't have the parts to assemble? Question As I said, the suppliers are the blocker here.

In the beginning delivery was promised in February, so I expect all parts would already be there.

Van Parn

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12-08-2020, 13:37

Honestly I'm not surprised at all, and being experienced with other hobby projects and also crowdfunded stuff, I wouldn't bat an eyelid if I had to wait for an year, especially in this particular case. Why? I personally thought (and I bet most people also did) that their initial estimated delivery date was excessively optimistic, considering so much was yet to be done (despite communication difficulties, they were transparent enough that this was very clear at the time). Too many variables, too much stuff out of the team's control, and still the team's to-do list was still big.

My point is, be patient. Be very patient. If the team is serious about this project, and I have no reason to believe it's not, they are as disappointed as you for still being unable to deliver, probably more. When we contribute to hobby and crowdfunded projects we must always be aware of the risk, for all parts. You made an investment and someday it may bear fruit, or not. If any good comes out of all this, it will be a bonus.

Van raymond

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12-08-2020, 13:43

I do understand your frustation, I am also waiting for mine to be delivered. I have good hopes they will manage it in september, otherwise I have to wait a bit longer. It would be very nice to have it at least before christmas this year Big smile

You can also help them with checking the service manual: Service Manual review request Perhaps they have more things where they can use some help.

Van Meits

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12-08-2020, 14:18

Here something I had to learn the hard way in my commercial computer build/fix years.

In the computer building/fixing business it is very dangerous to promise dates. It is very human if a customer only remembers the date you mention. Words like "I hope", "probably" and the likes are of no interrest to a customer.

In the beginning I was very enthousiastic to help customers fix their devices. If something looked easy I told them the probability of it being fixed the other day was plausible. "I think chances are high I'll call you tomorrow". Often it were those cases where there were other problems as well. Thinking of parts that had to be ordered, slow scans, things not working like they normally do for whatever reason, priority jobs. Anything you can come up with goes.
It happened more than once a customer just showed up without me ever having called them and got angry if I told them the computer was not fixed yet. "But you promised it would be fixed". "No, I never did". The customer remembered what was most important for them, the date.

In the beginning my colleagues warned me to never make promisses, no matter how easy the job looked and no matter how much I wanted to please the customer because one never knows what obstacles may lie ahead. I learned it the hard way and new colleagues after me.

@ray2day: I did not write the above to shut you up. Not at all.
I recognize elements of my early days in the time line of MSXVR. I see his enthousiasm and wanting to make people happy with his work. Rather today than tomorrow. In the beginning the deadlines may have been set on a very doable date. But as turns out that would have been the ideal scenario. Ideal scenarios mostly happen when no promisses were made. External factors can easily break your planning and made promisses. Today's Covid19 surely does. International shipping is not what it used to be (my Russian Carnivore 2 has traveled 2/3 of its trip in one day. That was two weeks ago).

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