China new MSX manufacturing

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Van Pentarou

Champion (396)

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16-08-2021, 13:09

I'm curious: How much do you think such

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a low cost new MSX (MSX1) ...with a PS/2 or USB keyboard and USB port

would be sold for? I mean retail price.

And you really think people are lining up to buy a 35+ year old computer?

Van Shinobi

Master (197)

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16-08-2021, 20:50

It will be just like cheap famiclones and will be sold just like famiclones are still sold very cheap yet they gave us some good years of playing video games.

Van Shinobi

Master (197)

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16-08-2021, 21:07

I sent them email from this contact page: Subor Electronics Technology Co. Ltd

https://www.globalsources.com/gsol/GeneralManager?&design=cl...

Van Shinobi

Master (197)

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16-08-2021, 21:13

Also this is Subor website, they make the famiclones educational computer, feel free to send them, probably if we send them a lot of messages we will get their attention
http://www.subor.com.cn/feedback.asp

Van Pentarou

Champion (396)

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16-08-2021, 22:30

Shinobi wrote:

It will be just like cheap famiclones and will be sold just like famiclones

When they came out, ~40 Years ago famiclones weren't cheap. If you can find them nowadays for less than 10 $ on volume buy it's because they are just... Disposable crap sold by the thousands.

You can't compare a new machine with them, instead look @ the prices of some devices that came out recently:

ZX-uno = ~100€ (8 bit forever site)
C64 MAXI = €119.99 (suggested price on pre-release, actual price higher)
SX|2 = 160€ (8 bit forever site)
ZX-Spectrum next = £300.00 (Shop)
MSXVR = 365,00€ – 395,00€ + VAT (Shop)

So, what price range you think you can sell your machine?

Van enribar

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16-08-2021, 23:07

Bravo Shinobi! Finally someone really do something for a mass production of the MSX machines!
Maybe we'll have a cheap MSX console for Christmass!

Van Shinobi

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16-08-2021, 23:48

Pentarou wrote:

ZX-uno = ~100€ (8 bit forever site)
C64 MAXI = €119.99 (suggested price on pre-release, actual price higher)
SX|2 = 160€ (8 bit forever site)
ZX-Spectrum next = £300.00 (Shop)
MSXVR = 365,00€ – 395,00€ + VAT (Shop)
So, what price range you think you can sell your machine?

For this reason, I am targeting and mailing this Subor chinese company to get their attention, even the remakes of these old machines are expensive especially for someone in Middle East. Thanks God, both AX-200 MSXes that I have are freem I got them from some friends here whom had them stored for tens of years neglected, but for most this is not the situations.
I think the chinese manufacturer can make a (MSX on a Chip) just like (NES on a Chip) that is found in Famiclones, so it will be cheap, for example here in middle east we have famiclones that is 10 US Dollars, Sege Mega Drive remake (chinese) is 20 US dollars. So the hopefully recreated chinese MSX can be in this range too, if you omit the keyboard and make it PS/2 it will be very cheap. I can't find a reason that it will be expensive as the new machines in your list.

The plastic used for famiclones is crap, I agree, but they were playable and gave us fun for years. So, MSX can be the same.

Van Shinobi

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16-08-2021, 23:46

enribar wrote:

Bravo Shinobi! Finally someone really do something for a mass production of the MSX machines!
Maybe we'll have a cheap MSX console for Christmass!

You can try to send them message too, their website won't accept long messages and a message in chinese appears that I use Google translate to translate it, I wrote Hi please make MSX educational computer just like MSX AX-170 ..
When they email me I can write more about it..
So you do it on this link:
http://www.subor.com.cn/feedback.asp

Van Pentarou

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17-08-2021, 00:14

Famiclones are cheap because they are built in large quantities and use old parts that are already on the market (*).
Nobody is going to make a MSX on a Chip "chipset" to reduce costs, every 'renewal' machine built in the last ~15 years is either emulation or FPGA based (expensive!).

*= Those Famicom based PCs use dedicated chips built more than 20 years ago, this one for example
SH6578

Van Shinobi

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17-08-2021, 00:37

They are still making Famiclones, although may not in the quantities of the 90's but it still cheap. It's not the large quantity that dictates if it cheap or not, I think there is other things. I am telling you this since here in middle east, people do not love retro stuff, they buy new consoles but still we see those famiclones in the marker for 10 dollars, so who is buying these??
And also when people buy (TV educational computer) like the one I saw here several days ago arabic and turkish localized, they dont ask if it's famicom or no, they just buy it for little kids, so why not make MSX as educational computer instead of famicom and sell it to the importers (who don't know what the console do as I see here) these importers buy because it is cheap and don't know what it is.

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