Z80 protected mode?

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Door geijoenr

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17-10-2022, 09:40

Van ro

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17-10-2022, 10:20

yeah, i saw that clickbait vid last week. next

Van gdx

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17-10-2022, 10:38

This should be useful for SymbOS, but it needs hardware modification is not?

Van geijoenr

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17-10-2022, 10:47

yeah, somewhat click bait. But interesting how easy is to have some sort of protected mode with very little hardware additions.

Also nice that the guy talks about MSX.

Van msd

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17-10-2022, 13:24

I think also the cpu overhead of this ‘solution’ has to be taken into account . Having an interrupt for every out/in, then running some code from NMI can have some serious performance impact .

Van DamnedAngel

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17-10-2022, 15:34

Additionally, the suggested architecture for pretecting memory could protect memory mappers (since the management is I/O based), but completely fails protecting MSX SLOTs.
The guy had an epiphany on how to implement protected systems based on 8-bit CPUs, but it would only apply to a new system made with that purpose. For our old architectures it is just useless.

Van Danjovic

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17-10-2022, 17:51

Yeah I agree, the content of the video is cool, but protected mode is not a feature of the CPU itself, like for example the embedded memory refresh controller and the ghost register set (invoked by exx/ ex af,af').
But hey, at 01:31 one the computers shown is a SHARP Hotbit HB-8000 and that alone already earned my LIKE!

Van Briqunullus

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17-10-2022, 20:26

Too bad he hasn't built an actual system yet, so we can judge its feasibility. But I like his outside-of-the-box thinking. As a concept, it may even excite me more than MSX3, which seems so disconnected from existing hardware.

Van Manuel

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17-10-2022, 20:53

ro wrote:

yeah, i saw that clickbait vid last week. next

He actually admits the click bait title in the video very explicitly Smile

Van geijoenr

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17-10-2022, 21:02

It seems this can be done without hardware modifications and in a cartridge _except_ for the NMI input to the CPU?

Van PingPong

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17-10-2022, 23:05

msd wrote:

I think also the cpu overhead of this ‘solution’ has to be taken into account . Having an interrupt for every out/in, then running some code from NMI can have some serious performance impact .

one of the reasons that justify the absesce of a protected mode is that those early processors have too little horse power to efficiently support multitasking even if sybos proved that that can be done.

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