Do you agree with this?

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Door JohnHassink

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07-05-2010, 21:19

MSX's AY scene is not developed, because the platform has many sound extensions.
http://8bitcollective.com/wiki/index.php/AY-3-8910

I dunno...

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Van wolf_

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07-05-2010, 21:37

Yes.

Why bother with arpeggios to form 'chords' when you have an FM-PAC, MUSMOD or Moonsound which does that, and a lot more? Why bother with PSG at all?

And so, the main trackers of our scene (Soundtracker, Moonblaster) never supported those kind of effects.

Van JohnHassink

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07-05-2010, 21:52

I kind of agree with that.
Though I must add there is a good and simple reason to fiddle with PSG:
playing with noise == FUN! Smile

Ah well, I suspect one of the few things nowadays which keeps developers interested in PSG is MSXdev...

Van boomlinde

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07-05-2010, 22:21

Quite a few recent MSX demos make good Spectrum-like use of the PSG, right? I think it's part of a recent trend of supporting a "bare-bones" computer setup (like the C64 scene has always been).

Naruto made some excellent PSG tunes, too. Of course not as many technical tricks (like arpeggio chords, sid buzzer, sync, etc ) as in the European scene, but it's still someone doing it. Maybe there are more Japanese people doing this?

EDIT: I think the type of PSG music Naruto makes is "thinking inside the box" (tries to explore sound within the three channels -- "3 channels of audio => three channels of music") while the ST/Spectrum scene is reaching "outside the box" (trying to expand sonic capabilities with arpeggio chords and detailed wavetable sounds)

Van JohnHassink

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07-05-2010, 23:31

@ boomlinde
What is "Spectrum-like use of the PSG"?
Do you mean the arpeggios etc.?

As far as I know, Japanese chiptune composers hardly ever used this technique, and if they did, it was usually only pure octave modulation to imitate/evoke a certain 'timbre'.
I suppose that conveying the notion of full chords by use of software arpeggiators was, aesthetically, a bit too 'crude' in the eyes of 'traditionally' trained Japanese composers.

IMHO an excellent example of absolutely great and relevant arpeggio use was the theme song of Death Wish III, which can be listened to here:
http://www.bgmsx.com/index.php?contenido_servicio_tabla=show_themes&contenido_cat_hist=,87

By the way, what do you mean with "sync"?

Lastly, have you got links concerning some works of Naruto? I google my ass off but can't find...

Van wolf_

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07-05-2010, 23:45

Probably oscillator sync, which means that the phase of one oscillator is reset at the rate of another oscillator.

Van JohnHassink

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08-05-2010, 00:49

wolf_, I see.
Is this in any way similar to the effect obtained when swapping FM instrument while the tone is still playing?
(a trait which -most notably- MicroCabin thankfully exploited)

Van wolf_

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08-05-2010, 01:01

Click 'ere for bald goatee Jordan Rudess.

And here (0:52) for a visual example.

Van JohnHassink

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08-05-2010, 09:15

So cool.
It's the Jordan Rudess of Dream Theater(*) and Liquid Tension Experiment (DT without the annoying vocals), right?

Both are good explanations BTW!

(*) AKA in The Netherlands as Dream Tieten. Huh huh

Van MäSäXi

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09-05-2010, 10:46

I agree.

Van ro

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09-05-2010, 11:54

jordan rules for sure

droomtieten? DT's one of my fave bands Smile

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