Will we ever see a SCUMM-like point and click game on MSX?

Yes (387 votes) 50.2%
No (384 votes) 49.8%
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Reacties (17)

Van RobertVroemisse

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16-07-2008, 13:15

What about ZOO (Radarsoft) That's a bit point 'n click.

Van wolf_

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16-07-2008, 13:35

Clearly, the poll refers to SCUMM-styled games.., there may be all kinds of games where you can point 'n click, but I've yet to see something on MSX everyone will agree on as a SCUMM-style game.

Van viejo_archivero

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16-07-2008, 14:18

Too much (and talented) work required for a task like that... so I guess it will be hard to see something similar to Monkey Island for the MSX

Van RobertVroemisse

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16-07-2008, 15:05

A SCUMM-like game requires a lot of graphics. Monkey Island has A LOT of unique backgrounds that has to be drawn. Such a game is not cell-based like most of the MSX games. I said ZOO because that game is made out of unique backgrounds.

Van cax

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16-07-2008, 15:06

I played Monkey Island for the first time on PC XT without the mouse,
but I have to admit that it's not that funny without the mouse, and most MSX machines have no mouse.

Van SLotman

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16-07-2008, 18:17

While games like Monkey Island are too advanced, there are others like King's Quest or Larry that could be made on MSX... a LOT of work, of course, but it could be made.

Van snout

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16-07-2008, 20:27

I often wondered how far a tR/GFX9000/Moonsound/HDD-combo would get in an attempt at SCUMMVM-port. Any ideas on that?

Van pitpan

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17-07-2008, 14:11

If MANIAC MANSION was ported to NES and C64 it is fully doable on MSX/MSX2. But "doable" doesn't mean that it WILL BE DONE, just that it COULD HAVE BEEN DONE. Big team. Long time. Useless?

Van snout

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17-07-2008, 15:43

True, it will be a big time project... but would using ScummVM (ScummVM) as a starting point even be remotely useful for a tR/G9K/Moonsound-combo? Or would all work have to be done from scratch?

Van Manuel

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17-07-2008, 20:28

Just a conversion, saves a lot of work Smile

Van Edwin

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17-07-2008, 22:48

I suspect that the ScummVM implementation will require too much memory to run on msx. If you want it done right, you probably need to implement in asm from scratch. That said, I think the tR/g9k combo should get you pretty far. But if the development time of ScummVM is any indication, it's an absolutely huge project.

Van RobertVroemisse

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18-07-2008, 10:22

If you make some kind of dump from the scenario from Monkey Island for example and rip all the graphics you already have some starting material. On the mighty www you can find midi versions of all the music so you can make fm/moonsound/scc/etc. versions of it. I am no programmer but why is such an engine so memory "unfriendly"?

Van MäSäXi

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18-07-2008, 11:07

Commodore 64 and low-resolution PC versions of "Maniac Mansion" and "Zak McKracken & Alien Mindbenders" doesn´t look too hard to convert them to MSX-1 with reasonably good results.

As you can see here:

http://home.comcast.net/~ervind/mmzakold.html

Sprites of course give flicker, but maybe we could use sprites only for MOVING person(s) and standing persons could be made using software sprites, I don´t mind some colour clash what software sprites can cause and those original sprites of C64 and PC were blocky enough already to make them more suitable MSX software sprites. :) I think it is NOT too big problem if standing characters can´t stand in EXACT position where you have pointed them to walk, 8 pixel accuracy is enough, i think! :) As long as you can smoothly move cursor and enter doors correctly, it can´t be too big problem.

Memory consumption is bigger problem, how many screens are in Maniac Mansion? As one screen takes 7Kb.... but I guess graphics can be packed smaller somehow nowadays.... so maybe you can release it on 256Kb cartridge? :) Was 256Kb biggest cartridge what MSX can use?

Mouse is not a problem, you can always use cursors and joystick, remember? :P

I remember there were even more simpler PC version of Maniac Mansion than which was showed in my link. That simpler PC version looked very SPECTRUM, thought it was not monochrome, but all colours were used something like this: (on y-coordinates) 0-30 purple, 31-60 dark blue 61-90 blue 91-120 dark green etc and everything was monochome against those colours like on spectrum. I couldn´t find such PC screenshot now, but I saw it in some 90s magazine.

Van MäSäXi

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18-07-2008, 11:55

If someones are going to convert Maniac Mansion to MSX, I really hope they use ORIGINAL graphics and NOT those NES´ japanese style grafx. Feeling and atmosphere is not the same anynore on japanese cutesy NES conversion.

Van Edwin

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19-07-2008, 12:08

I am no programmer but why is such an engine so memory "unfriendly"?

An engine written from scratch can be done just fine. It's the ScummVM implementation that I think won't be helpful because of memory concerns.

Van karloch

Prophet (2067)

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22-07-2008, 16:19

A SCUMMVM version for MSX would be a big LoL. Dreamming is free you know. Such an implementation for the MSX would require a big team, long development time following a path with many many technical difficulties.

The official port of SCUMMVM for the lowest-end machine (as seen at the download page) seems to be the Atari computers, and even under this architecture, it requires a 68020 processor. Quite far from even a R800 :/

Van Nautilus

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08-08-2008, 22:45

SymbOS is the right way to create point-and-click adventures for MSX2 machines.