Of all possible released MSX software, how much have you seen or used, approximately?

5% or less (24 votes) 21.1%
10% (9 votes) 7.9%
20% (21 votes) 18.4%
40% (31 votes) 27.2%
70% (21 votes) 18.4%
90% or more (8 votes) 7.0%
Total votes: 114

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By snout

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10-11-2013, 13:22

Hmmm, so far nobody dares to vote 90% or more. Interesting Wink

By wolf_

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10-11-2013, 14:54

Well, I find 70% rather huge already ^^

By anonymous

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10-11-2013, 15:41

There are 3830 game entries (game titles) in Generation MSX at the moment..so, regardless of demos, music disks, diskmagazines, challenge entries etc. 10% would mean 383 games already!

These 3830 entries also include demos, music disks 'n stuff! ^^; But it's not quite complete, just a good indication.

By wolf_

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10-11-2013, 15:46

And let's not format the disk/cas service from the Dutch MCM, with all the listings 'n stuff. And let's not forget the equally Dutch MK Public Domain. And let's not forget all the BBS promo demos, all the unknown MSX software from Latin America, Russia, the Arabic Emirates, Japan etc. etc.

By Latok

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10-11-2013, 16:12

So the only correct answer for everyone is probably less than 5%.

By wolf_

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10-11-2013, 16:18

Well, that's to find out..

By anonymous

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10-11-2013, 20:32

<5% here...
I have seen quite some stuff through the years... Especially when those collections came out a few years back... All was checked on its integrity/doubles etc and then on the play-factor/does it work from CF/MegaFlashROM SCC+ SD...
A lot of stuff didn't make it to the finals cuz of it not being english and therefore not fit for me...
Also did I see a lot of dutch stuff from the 90s and later.
But knowing how many little tools and programs got coded in Holland alone, it's easy to say that the scenes from other countries had such a bulk as well. I think of Japan, Korea, Spain, Brazil to name a few... I've never seen scene or pre-scene stuff from those countries and I think I never will cuz it is known for being in the native language...
I guess I've seen a little less than 30% of dutch stuff (next to MSX Computer & Club Magazine there were quite some other magazines with loadsa listings... Then there's business software from the 80s... Stuff that was just friggin expensive or friends didn't have it...) and I think that's quite an average...
Knowing that at least Japan was way more active through the years I know my global average goes into freefall way below 5%...

Really, I can hardly believe that anyone went over 10%...

By Samor

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13-11-2013, 12:34

hard to say... we don't know how much there really is, and "seen" is a very relative term.

I voted 20% but it's kind of a wild guess.

By wolf_

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13-11-2013, 13:10

Wild guesses are okay, among all collective votes these choices are somewhat watered down anyway..

By Samor

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14-11-2013, 03:16

In the pc shareware days, I've actually helped on making an MSX collection... gray matter at its best of course (legal issues). We contacted several people though, and most were enthusiastic about our product. Even though I was an MSX user and fan far before that, I've gone through dozens of MSX software titles at that time, hence my daring 20% entry.

By Manuel

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14-11-2013, 09:41

dozens is not very much when there are thousands of titles Tongue

By anonymous

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15-11-2013, 09:10

Just for the fun of it I opened the first PDF of MC(C)M I got from their site... That'd be ms(x)dos_computer_magazine_22 from may 1988.
I typed every software title and listing (not the little 10 liners) name I could find in reviews, tests and advertisements and I am sure I skipped a few. Out of the 118 found titles I've only seen 17... That's one issue of one MSX Magazine which...

To the guys who voted more that 10%, tell me, how much of the list below have you actually seen? There is so much more than you think. There's been a big line of commercial business software for MSX in every country by their own national publishers and I wonder who will ever have seen any of it Running Naked in a Field of Flowers

Title:			Release:	Seen by Meits:
3D Knockout		commercial	Nope
747 Flightsimulator	commercial	Nope
Aacko Desk		commercial	Nope
Aliens			commercial	Yep
Alpharoid		commercial	Yep
Arkanoid		commercial	Yep
Army Moves		commercial	Yep
BALWRP			listing		Nope
Batman			commercial	Nope
Beach Head		commercial	Nope
BMX simulator		commercial	Nope
Boardello		commercial	Nope
Boulderdash I		commercial	Yep
Boulderdash II		commercial	Yep
Break in		commercial	Yep
Bridge			commercial	Nope
Buzz Off		commercial	Nope
Chopper I		commercial	Yep
Chopper II		commercial	Yep
Comsta 			commercial	Nope
Confused?		commercial	Nope
Dawn Patrol		commercial	Nope
Deathwish III		commercial	Nope
Diskit			commercial	Yep
Dota			commercial	Yep
DRWMS2			listing		Nope
Eddie Kidd		commercial	Nope
Elite			commercial	Nope
F-1 Spirit		commercial	Yep
Fastan			commercial	Nope
Fastan - fakturering	commercial	Nope
Feud			commercial	Nope
Fire Hawk not thexder2	commercial	Nope
Fistan			commercial	Nope
Flash assembler		commercial	Nope
Flash Gordon		commercial	Nope
Flight Deck		commercial	Yep
Football Manager	commercial	Nope
Galaxians		commercial	Yep
Gary Lineker's soccer	commercial	Nope
Gauntlet		commercial	Yep
Gnome Ranger		commercial	Nope
Happy Fret		commercial	Nope
Hard Boiled		commercial	Nope
Head over Heels		commercial	Yep
Hunt for Red October	commercial	Nope
Hyper Rally		commercial	Yep
Indiana Jones		commercial	Nope
International Karate	commercial	Yep
Jet Bomber		commercial	Nope
Jewels of Darkness	commercial	Nope
Kastan - database	commercial	Nope
Katapult Schaak		commercial	Nope
Knight Orc		commercial	Nope
Knightmare		commercial	Yep
Konami Boxing		commercial	Yep
Konami Football		commercial	Yep
Life in a fast lane	commercial	Nope
Mappy			commercial	Yep
Mask II			commercial	Nope
Masters of the Universe	commercial	Nope
Mastervoice		commercial	Nope
Maze of Galious		commercial	Yep
Mazes Unlimited		commercial	Nope
Metal Gear		commercial	Yep
Miner Machine		commercial	Nope
Musix			commercial	Nope
Mutant Monty		commercial	Nope
Nemesis			commercial	Yep
Nemesis II		commercial	Yep
North Sea Helicopter	commercial	Yep
Ocean Conqueror		commercial	Nope
Oh Shit			commercial	Yep
Oil's Well		commercial	Yep
Pacman			commercial	Yep
Penguin Adventure	commercial	Yep
Pico Pico		commercial	Yep
Polar Star		commercial	Nope
Police Academy		commercial	Yep
Protector		commercial	Nope
Psychadelia		commercial	Nope
Rambo			commercial	Yep
Red Lights of Amsterdam	commercial	Yep
RF Assembler		commercial	Nope
Road Fighter		commercial	Yep
Robot Wars		commercial	Nope
Salamander		commercial	Yep
Sea King		commercial	Nope
Silicon Dreams		commercial	Nope
Skooter			commercial	Yep
Sky Vision		commercial	Nope
Slapshot		commercial	Nope
Snelfactuur		commercial	Nope
Sorcery			commercial	Nope
Space Camp		commercial	Nope
Space Shuttle		commercial	Nope
Speedboat Racer		commercial	Nope
Speedking motorrace	commercial	Nope
Spy Story		commercial	Nope
Spy vs Spy		commercial	Yep
Starfighter		commercial	Nope
Storm Bringer		commercial	Nope
SuperKasboek		commercial	Nope
Taswords MSX2		commercial	Yep
The Chess Game		commercial	Nope
The Heist		commercial	Yep
The living Daylights	commercial	Yep
Thexder			commercial	Yep
Time Bandits		commercial	Nope
Traingame		commercial	Nope
Turbo 5000		commercial	Nope
Turmoil			commercial	Nope
Usas			commercial	Yep
Vampire			commercial	Nope
Vampire Killer		commercial	Yep
Wintergames		commercial	Nope
Yie Ar Kung Fu II	commercial	Yep
Zanac			commercial	Yep

By Manuel

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15-11-2013, 09:37

Title:			Release:	Seen by Manuel:
3D Knockout		commercial	Nope
747 Flightsimulator	commercial	Yep
Aacko Desk		commercial	Yep
Aliens			commercial	Yep
Alpharoid		commercial	Yep
Arkanoid		commercial	Yep
Army Moves		commercial	Yep
BALWRP			listing		Yep
Batman			commercial	Yep
Beach Head		commercial	Yep
BMX simulator		commercial	Yep
Boardello		commercial	Yep
Boulderdash I		commercial	Yep
Boulderdash II		commercial	Yep
Break in		commercial	Yep
Bridge			commercial	Yep
Buzz Off		commercial	Yep
Chopper I		commercial	Yep
Chopper II		commercial	Yep
Comsta 			commercial	Nope
Confused?		commercial	Yep
Dawn Patrol		commercial	Yep
Deathwish III		commercial	Yep
Diskit			commercial	Yep
Dota			commercial	Yep
DRWMS2			listing		Nope
Eddie Kidd		commercial	Yep
Elite			commercial	Yep
F-1 Spirit		commercial	Yep
Fastan			commercial	Nope
Fastan - fakturering	commercial	Nope
Feud			commercial	Yep
Fire Hawk not thexder2	commercial	Yep
Fistan			commercial	Nope
Flash assembler		commercial	Yep
Flash Gordon		commercial	Nope
Flight Deck		commercial	Yep
Football Manager	commercial	Yep
Galaxians		commercial	Yep
Gary Lineker's soccer	commercial	Yep
Gauntlet		commercial	Yep
Gnome Ranger		commercial	Yep
Happy Fret		commercial	Yep
Hard Boiled		commercial	Yep
Head over Heels		commercial	Yep
Hunt for Red October	commercial	Nope
Hyper Rally		commercial	Yep
Indiana Jones		commercial	Yep
International Karate	commercial	Yep
Jet Bomber		commercial	Yep
Jewels of Darkness	commercial	Yep
Kastan - database	commercial	Nope
Katapult Schaak		commercial	Yep
Knight Orc		commercial	Yep
Knightmare		commercial	Yep
Konami Boxing		commercial	Yep
Konami Football		commercial	Yep
Life in a fast lane	commercial	Yep
Mappy			commercial	Yep
Mask II			commercial	Yep
Masters of the Universe	commercial	Yep
Mastervoice		commercial	Yep
Maze of Galious		commercial	Yep
Mazes Unlimited		commercial	Yep
Metal Gear		commercial	Yep
Miner Machine		commercial	Yep
Musix			commercial	Yep
Mutant Monty		commercial	Nope
Nemesis			commercial	Yep
Nemesis II		commercial	Yep
North Sea Helicopter	commercial	Yep
Ocean Conqueror		commercial	Nope
Oh Shit			commercial	Yep
Oil's Well		commercial	Yep
Pacman			commercial	Yep
Penguin Adventure	commercial	Yep
Pico Pico		commercial	Yep
Polar Star		commercial	Yep
Police Academy		commercial	Yep
Protector		commercial	Yep
Psychadelia		commercial	Yep
Rambo			commercial	Yep
Red Lights of Amsterdam	commercial	Yep
RF Assembler		commercial	Nope
Road Fighter		commercial	Yep
Robot Wars		commercial	Nope
Salamander		commercial	Yep
Sea King		commercial	Yep
Silicon Dreams		commercial	Yep
Skooter			commercial	Yep
Sky Vision		commercial	Yep
Slapshot		commercial	Yep
Snelfactuur		commercial	Nope
Sorcery			commercial	Yep
Space Camp		commercial	Yep
Space Shuttle		commercial	Yep
Speedboat Racer		commercial	Yep
Speedking motorrace	commercial	Yep
Spy Story		commercial	Yep
Spy vs Spy		commercial	Yep
Starfighter		commercial	Yep
Storm Bringer		commercial	Yep
SuperKasboek		commercial	Nope
Taswords MSX2		commercial	Yep
The Chess Game		commercial	Yep
The Heist		commercial	Yep
The living Daylights	commercial	Yep
Thexder			commercial	Yep
Time Bandits		commercial	Yep
Traingame		commercial	Yep
Turbo 5000		commercial	Yep
Turmoil			commercial	Yep
Usas			commercial	Yep
Vampire			commercial	Yep
Vampire Killer		commercial	Yep
Wintergames		commercial	Nope
Yie Ar Kung Fu II	commercial	Yep
Zanac			commercial	Yep

That's a bit more... 16 *not* seen Smile (I voted 40%, as there's a lot of Japanese/Russian/Korean/Spanish stuff I've probably never seen.)

By Samor

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15-11-2013, 10:38

Manuel wrote:

dozens is not very much when there are thousands of titles Tongue

jaja... Tongue

Pretty sure I've seen most of that list, though I don't remember every single game title.

By Hrothgar

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15-11-2013, 12:13

This list contains a huge number of Aackosoft titles which were just then released as one collection (30 MSX hits). That will skew the answers, depending whether or not you own that particular set. (I do.)

By Meits

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15-11-2013, 13:19

Manuel wrote:

That's a bit more... 16 *not* seen Smile (I voted 40%, as there's a lot of Japanese/Russian/Korean/Spanish stuff I've probably never seen.)

40% is quite optimistic if you probably haven't seen 40% of the dutch software Wink

By Manuel

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21-11-2013, 23:15

I'm pretty sure I've seen over 40% of the Dutch software Tongue (Well, maybe not if we count all not very wide spread early 90's demos...)

By Meits

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22-11-2013, 07:39

You've seen 40% of the Dutch software and choose 40% of all software... So you've seen 40% of all Brazillian, Spannish, Korean and Japanese software as well...
I can understand your theory of chosing 40% of the Dutch software, but somehow I doubt the rest Running Naked in a Field of Flowers

By Manuel

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22-11-2013, 20:32

I didn't say I choose 40% because I have seen 40% of Dutch software....

By Meits

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23-11-2013, 15:48

ah, ok Smile

By max_iwamoto

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24-11-2013, 23:10

@ Meits: Most of the games from the list that you never saw before are Spectrum conversions. I saw all of the on Spectrum, but only few on MSX.

By Meits

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25-11-2013, 22:25

Max, I just opened one of the 90 most popular MSX Magazines from Holland... A lot of it was from advertisements which would reappear once in a while. It's a tiny bit of titles named in all of these magazines. Then there's the countless listings which count as well... There once was a magazine in Holland which almost exclusively consisted of listings... Then there's all the 1983-1986 professional Dutch software... And that's just Holland... It's (luckily) not just the Dutch that created software...

Actually, I think it's impossible to even guess how many titles ever appeared on MSX

By max_iwamoto

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14-12-2013, 22:34

Looking at the results I think it's very hard to answer this question, because nobody really knows how much software really exists on MSX. I don't think that this poll will produce accurate results. Because everybody judging differently. And do we count all major commercial software or all available programs including basic listings? I voted based on major commercial software and high quality home-brew stuff.

By konamiman

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18-12-2013, 12:39

Anyone saying 10% or more either is subestimating the amount of MSX software released... or has no life outside MSX. Smile

By Manuel

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21-12-2013, 10:18

I made quite some screenshots for Generation MSX, that helps…

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