MRC doesn't get it - the log after

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Por ro

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19-07-2005, 14:24

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[edit]nevermind, should not be in this thread. sorryp[/edit]
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Por poke-1,170

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19-07-2005, 15:28

Hey I'm new in all this but to me it seems some people are clearly mentally not 100%, I mean even if non msx ers would read this they'd be able to make out that some people are living in their own makebelief fantasy bubble. Now I know a couple of mentally ill people that I get a long with very well (some are good friends of mine) but it doesn't take away that you can behave like a total dick and call people names and put em down like this...I took the effort of reading the other posts at msxposse and boy oh boy is this fodder for a good shrink !
I mean, no reason to be a blunt assh0le if people are trying to make up for something and come to burry the axes of previous battles.
If open discussion is not possible anymore (And where have we seen this in holland the last years,i don't need to name examples) then ignorance will rule and hatred will be the result of this.

And on another note: come on people,IT'S A F*CKING MSX COMPUTER !!! GET A LIFE !!!
BOOT A FRIGGING KONAMI GAME AND CHILL THE F^CK OUT !!!!!
There's more in life then this,it's all for fun and the msx scene does not benefit from this at all imho !!!

now, where is that field and I am already fully undressed Wink

Por POISONIC

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19-07-2005, 15:32

everyone has the right to say whatever he wants "FREE SPEECH" how ever the truth is always
sensored on MRC some people R afraid maybe..... and you can call it a MIRACLE that this topic is still ALIFE.
And some say that some MSX users R insane ???? well insane is not the right WAY to say.......
it looks a bit like some MRC people r SELECTING the uber MSXér and ban the other thinking MSXér
looks a bit like 1940-1945 dont you think so to....... they did the same back then........

its not a good tought is it??

but in the second world war the germans also tought they did not do someting wrong.......

Some people around here should stop making this happen....

you should keep in mind that this forum is read allot so...... more and more people see this selection process you cant hide it........................

this forum should be a welcome forum for any msxér............

we should FIGHT Commodore and Nintendo as we did in the past Not each other!

Por poke-1,170

Paragon (1768)

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19-07-2005, 15:37

Oh by the way,I am wearing that "free" msx shirt while typing... Smile

I wonder why people here are all so supicious...listen,some people take an effort to get a newly manufactured computer
on the market but all you b*tches do is complain and whine and it's never good and blah and blah and blaaaah.
Listen if that 1 chip won't come,then you can wonder if that negative approach has helped ruining it !
INstead of supporting, it gets burned down...good way to start a revival

poke out

Por Samor

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19-07-2005, 15:45

That's a long read. I've skipped some parts.

Ok, well, the fact I'm not an active MSX coder/graphics artist/musician etc doesn't mean I don't know squad about what's going on.... I guess because I'm not a real "scener" (ugh) I'm considered pretty worthless by some, though.

Anyway, a while ago I'd kinda decided for myself to not voice an opinion yet on the whole MSX revival/Bazix/MRC thing - because I've not yet seen much actually happen, being it either positive or negative (aside from a few issues that I would consider minor).
That doesn't mean I don't have any concerns. Sometimes I won't state something though, not because of the fear of getting banned, but because I know it would be just stirring up trouble.

Oh yeah, well there is one thing. the MRC's not-legal software stance - I'm fine with it. However, the way things like Martos' tape preservation project are slagged off by some as thievery, I didn't quite like that - even if there technically are some laws, I disagree - besides, many of the games Martos' preserved would probably have been declared freeware anyways. Just that he used to be someone who pirated games in the old days, doesn't make it the same now - if I'm not mistaken, in the C64 scene groups like fairlight have a positive name today.

The 1CM - hey, I'd just want one or an MSX gamereader to be able to play MSX carts on some form of more modern media. Currently I see more chances of the gamereader happening than the 1CM though.

Finally, a request - there were rumours about Sunrise, issues lately. I don't know the details, but I'm just asking this: don't kill each other's projects. It'd be bad for all MSX fans.

Por Sama

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19-07-2005, 15:46

The thing that caught me most is that GuyveR is continuously saying MRC and Bazix are harming the community, yet he didn't give even one reason why (and/or how). The most stunning part might have been the Sunrise part. What GuyveR said about that, is totally ridiculous. To me it seems that whenever GuyveR spots even the smallest particle of a negative opinion about MRC or Bazix, he tries to use that to enrage people even more.

There's another thing that is perfectly clear to me as well... that is that if GuyveR gets what he wants (that is: snout, Bart and me quitting MRC), MRC will probably vanish in some time. Maybe not so much because of Bart and me, but more because of snout, who is without any doubt the most active MRC admin and who is responsible for most of the newsposts and for many of the other initiatives that keep MRC up and running. I think it must be particularly frustrating to him to read about all this.

The same goes for Latok himself, by the way. From my perspective, the MRC admin team really is a team. I don't want to go without any one of its members, because MSX is a hobby and a hobby must be fun. When we're at a point that people tell you you must quit your hobby and leave your friends because that is the only way to gain back some respect... Well, let's suffice with saying that I don't need the respect of those people at all. When you're not with GuyveR, you're against him, at least it seems to me.

But... these things have been discussed over and over again. All I can do is hope that this rousing of public sentiment (really, did anyone read anything that makes sense in this chat? And - for what reason do you all think this thread was made public? And - why do you think BiFi opens the log by 'explaining' GuyveR really is the guy to look for when you're out for a friendly chat but now he was angry so this is not how GuyveR normally is - etc.) does not harm any kind of activity in the scene any more than it does now.

If GuyveR is as happy as he says he is, please let him create more MSX software. That's what he is good in, far better than in conflict solving Wink

Por POISONIC

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19-07-2005, 15:59

Dear RIKUSU maybe you did not READ that Rob Hiep wanted to stop WITH SUNRISE because of the people who R complaining abouth that the hard ware should BE EXPANSIVE but to my opinion its cheap.

Por wolf_

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19-07-2005, 15:59

#msxdev degraded to a fools-community
I'll polish this earlier remark. After a priv.IRCchat with guyver (in Dutch, 'what a difference... this tea makes...'!), the opinions didn't really change in the end, but I need to free a number of #msxdev visitors from blame. Smile

(^_^( )o_O) "we miss [o_o]"

Por Sama

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19-07-2005, 16:06

...while those people clearly stated that they were not saying the Sunrise products were too expensive, yet they were only comparing prices. Apart from that, not only the ones who said anything like that (Latok, that is) might be the ones to blame; maybe Sunrise was taking those words a little too sensitively.

You would need a lot more to make me consider quitting MSX than a remark about MRC or Bazix (taking into account the fact that I didn't quit even after reading chatlogs like this Wink).

Por Samor

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19-07-2005, 16:09

As Rikusu said,

Latok stated in that particular thread that he DID NOT say what he said because Sunrise was too expensive, but he made a comparison with the 1CM price, which, IMO, was a bad one, because of the difference in amounts and the fact the release of the 1CM is still unsure.

or in Dutch (just to make it clear):
Latok heeft uitgelegd dat hij het NOOIT gezegd omdat hij Sunrise te duur vond, maar om een prijsindicatie te geven van de 1CM. Ik vond dat niet zo'n goede vergelijking, vanwege het verschil in de hoeveelheden waarin de 1CM geproduceerd gaat worden, als dat al doorgaat.

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