Adding a Kanji ROM

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Por rderooy

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18-11-2016, 22:31

I checked the European Sony MSX2 BASIC users guide and cannot find a mention of PUT KANJI either.

Por Manuel

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18-11-2016, 22:37

This is what BiFi had to say about it in 2000: http://www.msxcomputermagazine.nl/mccw/91/KANJI-stuff/en.html

Por rderooy

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18-11-2016, 23:39

Interesting read, but does not help much. He just says that it is included in every MSX2 subrom. And that does seem to be the case, as the command does not give an error. But it does not print the characters from the Kanji font ROM either. At least not on openMSX or blueMSX as Mars validated.

Por Manuel

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18-11-2016, 23:53

I just tried that PUT KANJI program on a Philips NMS 8250 with the Konami EC-702 inserted and it works fine...

Por rderooy

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19-11-2016, 00:02

On an actual machine? So something must be wrong then in the emulators?

Por Manuel

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19-11-2016, 00:06

By the way, https://www.msx.org/wiki/Kanji_BASIC says that "PUT KANJI" is in kanji-basic version 1. But that is apparently wrong then as it is in every MSX2. So what is in kanji-basic version 1??

EDIT: ah, it also says that kanji-basic is on every MSX2... but that's a bit weird. I wouldn't call it kanji-basic if it's on every standard MSX2, it's then just a fixed part of MSX2-BASIC... It's like saying there's "RAMDISK basic" in every MSX2 :P

Por Manuel

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19-11-2016, 00:06

rderooy wrote:

On an actual machine? So something must be wrong then in the emulators?

No, on openMSX.

Por mars2000you

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19-11-2016, 00:07

I did not have checked the PUT KANJI examples. It works in blueMSX with an European machine + a Kanji-ROM, at least the 1st example (JIS1).

But the test with the Koei game was negative as in openMSX.

Por Manuel

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19-11-2016, 00:14

Genghis Khan also worked nicely with a 8250 + Konami EC-702 extension here.

Note that the MSX1 version uses both Kanji and normal font. The normal font stuff (for hiragana/katakana) doesn't work on a European MSX of course. But the kanji part works fine, but also without the EC-702 Smile Same goes for the MSX2 version: doesn't need the kanji font ROM Smile

Anyway, this is thus a bad game to test with.

Por mars2000you

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19-11-2016, 00:19

Manuel wrote:

By the way, https://www.msx.org/wiki/Kanji_BASIC says that "PUT KANJI" is in kanji-basic version 1. But that is apparently wrong then as it is in every MSX2. So what is in kanji-basic version 1??

EDIT: ah, it also says that kanji-basic is on every MSX2... but that's a bit weird. I wouldn't call it kanji-basic if it's on every standard MSX2, it's then just a fixed part of MSX2-BASIC... It's like saying there's "RAMDISK basic" in every MSX2 :P

It's indeed my choice. For me, standard MSX-BASIC instruction can be used on any MSX computer without any hardware or software 'extension'. Of course, there are variations between MSX generations, but that's something else.

Instructions like PUT KANJI, COPY SCREEN and SET VIDEO can't be used on all MSX2 and higher computers, there are specific conditions, that's why I consider PUT KANJI as the first version of KANJI BASIC and created a category VIdeo BASIC for the two other instructions, while keeping them in the general 'MSX-BASIC Instructions'.

The case of RAMdisk BASIC (actually I've named it MemoryDisk Basic) is different. Because it was introduced as a first version on a few Toshiba MSX1 machines, I did not other choice than viewing it as a MSX-BASIC extension, even if it is included in the MSX2 standard.

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