Open question to scene game piraters

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Por Kai Magazine

Paragon (1418)

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28-05-2017, 13:26

"Simple" Kai magazine cartridges are special 2048k to 8196k cartridges, some of them with SCC.

Cartridge + manual + label + box + cover costs us 30 euro. We "earn" 9 euro in pre-purchase period.

Many 35 euro games are 32-48k roms in sumple cartridges way less expensive, and the production cost is arround 8 to 13 euro, so they earn arround 22 euro.

Are our games really expensive?

Perhaps the hardware is expensive (it is not a simple cartridge), but the games are most certainly not.

Por hamlet

Scribe (4105)

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28-05-2017, 13:37

Hey Oscar, come one and show us a picture of your Ferrari collection and your individual golden hot air ballon!

Por Kai Magazine

Paragon (1418)

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28-05-2017, 13:45

Hahahaha LOL!

Por DarkSchneider

Paladin (944)

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28-05-2017, 14:04

Cartridges are not good reference. Maybe before when more groups worked on the system, including hardware manufacturing, they were made using real ROM chips, that are cheaper. But, and correct me if I am wrong, currently all complex cartridges are only made using FPGA, which is more expensive (unless you are OK with only up to 48KB ROMs with no custom chip at all).

IMHO the cartridge itself should be deprecated nowadays, and sell the ROM to be flashed to the hardware (like MegaflashROM). But if someone wants the cartridge with its content (its own cover, package, etc.), why not? They can perfectly by done under demand (pre-order, etc.).

Por Kai Magazine

Paragon (1418)

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28-05-2017, 14:33

@hamlet, I just saw your email in the spam folder! I just check it every several days, just in case something like this happens.
I just replied.
Thank you!

Por hamlet

Scribe (4105)

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28-05-2017, 15:01

Quote:

cartridges- are in my opinion too high priced with this amount of money.

I´m divorced and single parent for my daughter, and I´m really happy about every Euro I can spend for nice items and don´t have to feed my lawyer.

Por ray2day

Paladin (695)

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29-05-2017, 19:49

Quote:

Cartridge + manual + label + box + cover costs us 30 euro

Strange Matra can produce nice cartridges with box and label for a retail price of €12,50 (!)

Por meits

Scribe (6514)

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29-05-2017, 20:11

That's probably because that's just a ROM on a breadboard. A megarom demands a bit more than just that.
Okay, I bet Matra doesn't use breadboards, but the size of the ROM decides if the cartridge needs more than just a ROM or a mapper as well.
What was the boundry, 48K?

(PS, I'm not familiar with Matra releases and I don't want to put them down with my message. I've heard nothing but high words about their releases, so they're probably just fine) Wink

Por ARTRAG

Enlighted (6866)

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29-05-2017, 22:02

A flat rom up to 64Kb does not need a mapper and can be produced with a cost of about 9-10€, so if you do not have fancy package you can reach a retail price of 12,50€ without losses (or gains). Using plain 64KB is quite a pain because, at a certain point, your code cannot use any RAM, but it can be done, e.g. moving one of the 16KB pages in RAM or VRAM.
Add a mapper and the things change a lot. The code is simpler, but the cost rises according to the solution you use for the mapper and to the size of extra ROM you need to control.

Por Kai Magazine

Paragon (1418)

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29-05-2017, 22:48

The cost of a 48k rom is incredibily cheap: the board is just a few cents, and you just have to solder a single rom chip in it, which is fast to do (1 songle chip with very few solding points, compared to an fpga chip and a flash memory) and the rom chip is also a few cents. The plastic cover of the cartridge is 1,50 euro aprox, so the cartridge materials are 3 euro aprox. The manufacturer sells it for 12,50 including box and manual, which in the case of unexpensive releases are just a carton box the size of the cartridge and a very small manual.
Most equal releases with bigger box are 25 or even 35 euro, having just a cost of 9 euro (since the box is bigger and the manual as well).

Megarom cartridges are 2 components: the megarom memory and the mapper. This is twice the work and several times more expensive, but much cheaper than a fpga + flashrom memory + jumpers + components to configure the mapper, etc, which costs us (from the manufacturer) from 23 to 27 euro (just the cartridge with it's plastic case for protection) because the components are more expensive, there are more components, and the chips have A LOT MORE soldering points, so the time to manufacture one of those cartridges is much higher, and the manufacturer charges us for his work.
Since megarom chips are very difficult to find and they usually are only 128k or 512k and our games are much larger than that, we have to use 2048k to 8192k flash cartridges with fpga mapper and other functions. Those cartridges are difficult to manufacture and much more expensive than a simple 48k rom.

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