Philips Music Module 1205: trigger a recorded sound via MIDI?

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Por MsxKun

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05-10-2021, 15:22

Soft Automaton wrote:
MsxKun wrote:

I think the manual maybe says the MIDI won't work with the internal firmware program, which is true, it doesn't.

Can you elaborate? That contradicts what others just wrote here. You're saying that using the stock software / firmware you cannot trigger anything with MIDI IN. My original assertion was true then? Now I'm confused again and wonder why those ports would be there. Was it yet another half-baked product? It didn't seem like it was but I'm still waiting on a delivery of the cartridge. I don't have one yet to know this first hand.

Internal Music Module firmware (in those units that still have it, not like mine that is gone cause is mostly unuseful and annoying), doesn't use the MIDI-In via DIN, stardard old style MIDI plug. It uses only the propietery keyboard connector, made for Philips keyboard.

Other soft like Moonblaster can use both without problems. The MIDI-In/Out/Thru works. The internal MM soft won't use them cause its lazy.

Por Soft Automaton

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05-10-2021, 16:28

Yes, yet others say they remember using it and triggering it via MIDI.

I suppose we're just talking about various usages and situations, such as an external program controlling the Philips cartridge, which is not what I'm asking about. I just want to use the built in sampler and am assuming that the 1205 cartridge is the source to do all of this, out of the box. I have no experience with any other BIOS, application, other cartridge, etc. Those are third party and not a a part of my question at all, though it is intriguing.

I suppose it's also a matter of program / firmware size. Maybe that was cut from the spec if the code ran out of space. That would be plausible. It's a shame though. It looks like I'll need to run a third party tool of some kind to put that sampler to use in a 'modern' (read '80s and beyond) setting Big smile

Por Soft Automaton

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13-12-2021, 16:47

I finally got a NMS1205. Confirmed: MIDI IN does absolutely NOTHING with the stock firmware. It doesn't like MIDI Thru works either.

Does anyone know if the 'RAM Expanders' you find online still have a sampler built into it? I don't want to mod anything if I lose the sampler in the process... That's all I'm interested in with the Music Module. If another program continues to utilize this feature I'd love to know about it and don't mind modifying it at that point. My understanding is these Expanders so not retain this feature.

Por Wlcracks

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13-12-2021, 18:23

The was a disk that came with the external custom connector keyboard, that works with midi in. I think Midi in takes a lot of CPU to process if you want it realtime and multiple notes. I did some tests with it some time ago.

https://www.msx.org/wiki/Philips_NMS_1160#Software

Por Meits

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13-12-2021, 20:57

All MIDI ports are functional on hardware level. The firmware in the module might not use it, but other software does.
The expanders do add to the default, they do not take anything away.

Por Soft Automaton

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15-12-2021, 23:33

Very Interesting!

I have a YK-20 but it looks like it's not compatible. I don't imagine that I will ever find that 1160 keyboard controller either. I just found a DSK version of it. Will Sofarun load this and utlisze the cartridge? I'm brand new to MSX and am still figuring out how a stock cartridge will read or save to an SD.

Wlcracks wrote:

The was a disk that came with the external custom connector keyboard, that works with midi in. I think Midi in takes a lot of CPU to process if you want it realtime and multiple notes. I did some tests with it some time ago.

https://www.msx.org/wiki/Philips_NMS_1160#Software

Por Soft Automaton

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15-12-2021, 23:24

Meits wrote:

All MIDI ports are functional on hardware level. The firmware in the module might not use it, but other software does. The expanders do add to the default, they do not take anything away.

This is good to know - thank you - but as a stock cartridge with no mods that doesn't help me really. It is, in effect, not functional until it's modified or until I source some other software (which I am happy to do). I was told that the RAM Expander doesn't retian the old ROM code and converts the cartridge to some MSX-Audio unit, which i know nothing about. As such, there is no built in sampler anymore. I'm referring to this:

If this actually does work or if there are other options I'd love to know more about it. All I want to do is record low bitrate samples and trigger them. In an ideal world I have more RAM to extend sampling lengths but still have some working software to create and control what's recorded.

Por Soft Automaton

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15-12-2021, 23:28

Incidentally, 'Music Creator' looks like a repackaged version of the ROM that's on the 1205 cartridge. Almost, anyway...

Por MsxKun

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15-12-2021, 23:42

Soft Automaton wrote:

All I want to do is record low bitrate samples and trigger them. In an ideal world I have more RAM to extend sampling lengths but still have some working software to create and control what's recorded.

Again. Try Moonblaster 1.4, it has sampler recording and playback, together with proper MIDI support when you go to the instrument selector/editor. Not sure if MIDI input works on the sampler editor tho.

Por Soft Automaton

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15-12-2021, 23:49

Yes I do remember Mooonblaster. I have to figure out how to load it via Sofarun (not all ROMs I have tried have worked for me so far) ... and I guess this doesn't have anything to do with the Philips cartridge? One of my aims is to use that, of course... I want the low bitrate of those chips.

MsxKun wrote:

Again. Try Moonblaster 1.4, it has sampler recording and playback, together with proper MIDI support when you go to the instrument selector/editor. Not sure if MIDI input works on the sampler editor tho.

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