First time in front of an MSX2 system - the technical difficulty stage...PAL to NTSC output advice

Página 2/4
1 | | 3 | 4

Por Pliskin414

Rookie (24)

imagem de Pliskin414

23-06-2008, 00:38

Well I am using a scart to RGB adapter but as I am new to scart cables as well I am not sure if it is correct or not. It is missing a number of pins on its male connector side yet still slides into the back of the MSX2. I feel strange asking this, but is that normal, the lack of a number of pins? Maybe that was my problem, a scart RGB adapter. You know I tried everything else but to no avail... I really don't think it looks good for the future of my msx2. Seems like now I am going to have to wait until a MSX2 from japan comes my way. If anyone might know of a place other than Ebay where I could find one that would be great. In the end, my current system is requiring too many supplementary expenses. Thanks for your info and please feel free to respond.

Por Manuel

Ascended (18940)

imagem de Manuel

23-06-2008, 09:02

What kind of adapter is it? What is the RGB cable you use on the display side? Which pins are on your SCART connector?
If you use RGB, PAL/NTSC should not be any problem.

Por Pliskin414

Rookie (24)

imagem de Pliskin414

23-06-2008, 17:47

EDIT: Well I just realized a terrible mistake I just made. This whole time I had been using a scart - RCA adapter, not a scart - RGB adapter. I had been thinking about the opposite when I typed in RGB, sorry about that mistake.
well, it is a scart to RCA adapter that has one end containing female ports for RCA [yellow,red, white], and on the other end contains the male side of scart connector that plugs into the back of the msx2. There is no input / output button, and does not include s-video. I believe the adapter is the problem, as I am new to scart cables as well , yet I noticed that the male scart connector on the converter does not include all of the pins. About half of them are missing, sporadically through the top and bottom row. Either it is broken or it is not the correct type of scart connector. Shouldn't a scart connector for this type of european system contain all of the pins on this side? That must be the problem now, but if so then I will now have to find a scart -rca adapter that works. Do you know for sure which type of scart it would use? Thanks for your help.
The RCA cable is just any old rca cable with yellow, white, red male connectors on both ends of the cable. Hope that helps.

Once again, sorry about the mistake earlier, if that changes anything, which it might, then all can place the blame on me...
but in any event, thanks for the help guys.

Por dhau

Paragon (1570)

imagem de dhau

23-06-2008, 19:27

It is ok, cheaper SCART connectors only have pins, necessary for L/R audio, composite video and ground. The downside is, you can't make RGB cable using that connector.

Por Pliskin414

Rookie (24)

imagem de Pliskin414

23-06-2008, 21:20

Oh, I see now. So may a connector such as this function for my use? Also, with an item such as this one would I still need a Pal - NTSC adapter or? In any event, thank you for your help!

Por Manuel

Ascended (18940)

imagem de Manuel

23-06-2008, 22:26

You don't want RCA (composite) as output, you want RGB as output... Such a plug is not a converter, it's just a way to get the composite out from the SCART connector.

SCART carries multiple signals, but you really want the RGB. I don't even know if the composite signal is internally connected in the MSX2...

Por Pliskin414

Rookie (24)

imagem de Pliskin414

24-06-2008, 00:02

!!!! This just keeps getting better! But seriously, you say that such a adapter will not work, yet what if I utilize a pal-NTSC adapter as well as such a scart - RCA? I would like RGB but it really seems like such a RGB adapter is expensive, and I still do not know if I will need a pal - NTSC adapter for it to run on my NTSC tv, regardless of RCA / RGB adapter used! If you have any ideas please relay them to me, I appreciate all of this. But now it just seems like my little MSX2 (that was purchased for such a great price) is turning out to be not so much of a steal as I once thought, what with all of the outside gear necessary for use. Oh well, thanks for all the help, and please if anyone has any advice on the earlier problems please feel free to let me know, I truly thank you all for all of your help! Thanks.

Por Grauw

Ascended (10618)

imagem de Grauw

24-06-2008, 01:13

SCART has two video signals inside: composite, and RGB. For conversion cables, you have to be careful which signal they pick up (e.g. for the Playstation 2 the standard cable you get only passes along the composite signal, so the image quality is suboptimal).

I don’t know much about NTSC TVs, but I do know that on European (PAL) TVs, the composite signal usually doesn’t work (actually on my old widescreen tv it did work, but that was an exception ;p). However, when you connect it through RGB, they usually do not have a problem processing a 60Hz.

So I don’t know if you have a TV that has an RGB input, but I think that is your best bet. S-Video has as far as I know the same issues as composite, so you can’t use that. VGA has an RGB input, but the horizontal frequency is double that of RGB as used by TVs, so you can’t use that either (although I heard sometimes beamers are able to handle it, and maybe LCD-TVs as well).

There is no cheap way to ‘convert’ a PAL signal to NTSC. Those converters are very expensive.

By the way, while testing you should probably make sure to set the MSX to 60Hz mode after booting. Type "VDP(10)=0" and press enter. Maybe that’ll help a bit. To switch back to 50Hz, type "VDP(10)=2" or just reset it.

~Grauw

Por Pliskin414

Rookie (24)

imagem de Pliskin414

24-06-2008, 02:10

I see, yes my tv does contain RGB input but the problem, if I were to go the RGB route, is now actually finding a Scart - RGB adapter, I am really not sure where I would get one. All I know is that the system appears to be workable yet due to my output connection and cables, or lack thereof, I am unable to produce anything, not even a grainy, line-filled MSX "Welcome!" screen. Oh well, you know if anyone has an Japan MSX2 or MSX2+ that they just feel like selling then please let me know. I haven't given up hope yet on this one but, ultimately, I just would like a good system...that works for me.

Just to be clear, the proper connection from the scart input on the back of the MSX is a scart - RGB adapter connected to an RGB cable that then plugs into an RGB input on my tv and does not require any other items for display? If possible, a scart - RCA adapter may work, but is not a given? Ah well, all I wanted to do was to play MG 2:Solid Snake, in all of its authentic glory; ironic thing is I already own the game, picked it up today! but alas all I can do now is stare at the title...

Thanks again for your continued support. These boards are excellent, and the community is very welcoming. Thank you.

Por Pliskin414

Rookie (24)

imagem de Pliskin414

24-06-2008, 02:41

On a little unrelated note: I was only wondering if anyone knew if Japanese games play 100% on european systems? Only asking because I just heard somewhere else on the site that Metal Gear (Japan) does not play on european type MSX2's? Since I will mainly be using the MSX2 for play of japanese titles then I could have made a serious mistake somewhere back...
Thanks for your info

Página 2/4
1 | | 3 | 4