Skooter - Remake

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By JohnHassink

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10-12-2004, 14:00

Well, wasn't there a law stating that a song becomes "a bird on a wire" (vogelvrij? Help me out here) when it's older than 15 years?

In that case I'm offering to play it on the piano. I'll not nag about performing (c)... Might cost ya some beers though... Smile

By JohnHassink

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13-12-2004, 15:37

Wasn't I making sense? I meant to help you out... Smile

By wolf_

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13-12-2004, 15:38

75 years then, not 15 Smile

By JohnHassink

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13-12-2004, 15:46

Really? Oh well, too bad... Smile

Say, Wolf_, do you perhaps know if this is true:
I once heard, that when you totally rip off a song, but only change, for instance, the baseline, that according to law, it's not even the same song anymore?

By wolf_

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13-12-2004, 15:58

It's officially ripping when 4 measures are the same.

And unofficially it's all a grey area, that's why at music-right organisations there's a a number of people that handle all thos plagiaism cases.

I remember a (in NL) case in the 80's by BZN and Annie Schilder (who just parted from BZN to go solo). A.S. made a song that's almost identical to one of BZN's. Now, I don't remember anymore what the judges said about it, but as a musical-jury I would say that it's plagiaism Smile If two artists come from the same cultural background, yet better: if they were once group-members, then you can assume that some ripping would be quite obvious. However, I wouldn't have much problems when unknown person A in Alaska makes filmmusic with a romantic theme for some love-scene, while some unknown person B in India makes 99% the same music for something completely different. They don't even know echother, they haven't heard things from eachother, so this is just coincidence. Ofcourse, legally there's potention for a case as the tunes match for 99%. Bit this is truly an example of a grey area. If I would be in that jury then I wouldn't call this plagiaism.

While everyone would argue that amount of different music in the western 12-tone scale as we know it today is nearly infinite. However, very often music is based on a set of rules. And filmmusic is the best example of following a set of rules! When there are rules then there are cliches, when there are cliches, then people learn music by listening and adapting those cliches. Once people use those cliches for their own music, you really can't do anything about the fact that your music will sound like that of others.

So, in short: grey area, judged by experienced musicians from copyright-organisations.

By wolf_

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13-12-2004, 16:00

ps. one thing I don't know about those 4 measures is if you are allowed to 'rip 4 measures and transform them into 2 measures at half bpm-speed and with double-speed notes Wink

so: in trackernotation:
C 4
...
...
...
C 4
...
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becomes:

C 4
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C 4
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and you adjust the speed to make it sound the same Smile

By JohnHassink

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13-12-2004, 16:04

Yeah, so you can start waving copies of the score around in court to prove you didn't steal it.
"And by the way, song X is keyed in E, while my song's key is Fes!" Wink

By wolf_

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13-12-2004, 16:07

The tonescale isn't relevant here.. as judges would look at it from the do-re-mi system.. Smile

By JohnHassink

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13-12-2004, 16:08

*damn* All my evil plans just went down the drain... Wink

By AuroraMSX

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13-12-2004, 18:21

Hm, you could transform a song from minor to major key (or the opposite) and then call it a day :-)

And I guess trying the 4-to-2 measurement trick is analogouos to changing tone scale, right?

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