MSXDev'07 specs - discussion

Hi DrByte.

Well. Your arguments are very pretty, but this world don't work with illusions or amateur people.

I'm very bad writing English (I know). According to your words, if I have illusion I can teach English ... No. This is an ERROR.

In Spain there is a good phrase to this: "Zapatero a tus zapatos", literal hmmm .... "shoes repairer to your shoes".

I want good games for my MSX. No bad games. If you make bad games, sorry, but I play with classical. Because I play with games, no with illusions.

And this is a big problem, because some people have talent for make good games. Yes, Wolf, was a good musician, please, compose music for new games, it's your best ability.

If all work use your best abilitys, the games will be good games. And all people and MSX, win.

It's very sad to see how people that make lots of things and give so many details about their work are criticized.
It's more easy to be quiet and only speak to destroy other people's work.
If you like to do things in a different way, then do them.

Whether I'm doing some work for the Dev is something you don't know.

I will value the Dev games by the result, not by the name or by the way they have been done.

I value the games by the result as well!!! It's exactly what I meant.
The matter is that results are horrible!!

And the analogy with the architecture, is poor.
I prefer to see a game like a city. You can make several buildings, and with the time, adding new ones, or demolish and replace old ones.

I can't see the comparison here, sorry. The city is a plural entity. The game itself itsn't since it's a closed project. Maybe I'll accept the analogy with a city if the game is a MMORPG one. In that case, the game hasn't a very specific structure or timeline since it heavily depends on thousands of unforseeable parameters.

But we are talking about MSX1 and small and optimized games.

About playing only classics is living in the past. They are good but not enough.

The past?????
Dude, all MSX machines are THE PAST!
I still like MSX cause I still like that kind of (old) games. It's the only reason I prefer to waste my time playing a MSX game instead a new generation PC or XBOX game.

But I don't feel the same with new MSX crappy games, so I'll continue playing old (but really good) games.

And aren't they enough?
Well, there are dozens or maybe hundreds of great MSX games I didn't pay attention before... Those games are there, waiting for me to discover them... ;-) I think I may have fun enough with my MSX until my last breathe.

I don't need new, bad games. If someone makes a really good MSX game, it will be welcome though.

If really only interested in classics, what are you saying here where people are interested in new games?

I'm not specificly interested in classics. If someone makes a game I could enjoy, I'll be interested in it as well.
But, I'm afraid (almost) nobody is doing things in the way I like. Because of this I'm forced to take the classics back if I still want to have a fun time with my MSX.

As said before, it's easier to destroy other people's work than making own work.

I only explained my opinion about how I think a MSX game should be created.
It's my opinion and if you don't like it, I'm sorry.

Whether I'm doing some work for the Dev is something you don't know.

Of course, but you are not expossed to be criticized, No one can say if your way of working is amateur or professional.

I value the games by the result as well!!! It's exactly what I meant.
The matter is that results are horrible!!

Then dare to tell about what things you think are horrible, so people can do best next time.

I can't see the comparison here, sorry. The city is a plural entity. The game itself itsn't since it's a closed project.

Yes, the analogy wasn't good. I will remember JJ words: "Zapatero a tus zapatos" (shoemaker at your shoes. Will Schumacher agree? )
So I will avoid more analogies.

But we are talking about MSX1 and small and optimized games.

Not specially small, if you get the main discussion here.
But now it is changing from 'small' to 'smell'.

The past?????
Dude, all MSX machines are THE PAST!

Also my PC is THE PAST. I bought it two years ago.
My MSX is only a bit older than it. It runs, and heat less than the PC.

But I don't feel the same with new MSX crappy games, so I'll continue playing old (but really good) games.

Well, I agree that if you dislike a game, don't play it. But there are also very BAD classic games. So, it would have been better to replace 'classic' by 'good'.

And aren't they enough?
Well, there are dozens or maybe hundreds of great MSX games I didn't pay attention before... Those games are there, waiting for me to discover them... ;-) I think I may have fun enough with my MSX until my last breathe.

If you think they are enough, why care about the new ones?
In the world, we are enough people, but each day more people born.
MSX is live, not dead.

I don't need new, bad games. If someone makes a really good MSX game, it will be welcome though.

Don't forget that what you consider a good game is not exactly what other people consider a good game. So, no way of forbid making bad games, as always can be found a person like some of them.
Of course, MSX-Dev is a contest, and its games may be of different quality. The better ones will be more appreciated and played. The worse ones will be easily forgotten.
No one forces you to play a game you dislike.

And ... isn't MSX-Dev an amateur contest? So, why don't do in amateur way?
Have you played football at school? Hope you were really good !
Football is only for professional players. None child or amateur man should play football!

Note the touch of (amateur, of course) humour of this post, don't take it seriously!

Let's take a deep breath and calm down. We share a same interest, MSX, but we all have different views about it. And nothing would change this.

hm.. I actually like discussing the basics of this topic with viejo/mars/pitpan.