New User - Advice Needed

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By Hit-Biter

Rookie (30)

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02-11-2018, 07:12

Hi Guys and Girls,

Well its been a while. about 30 years Sad The Sony Hit-Bit MSX 1 was and is my only MSX. Its been stored in its original box these past 30 years. Same one I had when i was a kid. I got it out tonight for the first time and got it all plugged in. It all works even the tape recorder, well until the belt started to slip. I've new belts coming home soon but in the meantime I need to know what i need to make my old 8 bit wonder into a modern retro computer that i can use. I would love to track down a Sony FDD for it and maybe use the cartridge slot for something like an SD card reader. I have a LOAD of games on tape, Most of which i think will still work so I'm wondering what i should do with them ! Also I'm curious and interested in getting into programming for the MSX. Only basic to begin with so I'm wondering what tools / software do i need to list the games i have on cassette ? There must be some way to load a game and then list the program ? Anyway that's a lot of questions but I'm 30 years behind so please help or give me a link to where i can update my knowledge. Thanks.

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By Eugeny_Brychkov

Paragon (1097)

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02-11-2018, 11:05

Hit-Biter wrote:

Well its been a while. about 30 years Sad The Sony Hit-Bit MSX 1 was and is my only MSX.

Welcome back to MSX community!

Hit-Biter wrote:

I need to know what i need to make my old 8 bit wonder into a modern retro computer that i can use.

I can propose GR8NET as I have them so far.

Hit-Biter wrote:

I have a LOAD of games on tape, Most of which i think will still work so I'm wondering what i should do with them !

Most of the software is available in the internet, but if you have something special, convert it to appropriate format (binary or BASIC). I think cassettes themselves may be a subject for collection.

Hit-Biter wrote:

Also I'm curious and interested in getting into programming for the MSX.

Identify what you want to program, and then ask. You can use BASIC, C, Pascal and much more on MSX.

Hit-Biter wrote:

Only basic to begin with so I'm wondering what tools / software do i need to list the games i have on cassette ?

This website has very good Wiki and BASIC command reference, you will find such commands.

By Wolverine_nl

Paragon (1037)

Аватар пользователя Wolverine_nl

02-11-2018, 11:31

Hello Hit-Biter, welcome back to MSX Smile
There are allot of ways to upgrade your MSX to a "modern" MSX.

GR8NET, like Eugeny said above, it is a complete multimedia cartridge, sound expansions of almost all existing official sound-chips, memory expansion, microSD card with modern Nextor DOS, has a sound output, biggest benefit is .. it can actually go on the internet/network, it is THE network cartridge for the MSX at this moment. Smile

a Carnivore2 cartridge is also a possibility
It has memory expansion, so you can use the modern Nextor DOS, It has the most used sound expansions, SCC, SCC+ and MSX-MUSIC. Also it has the internal PSG sound, you can add an audio out on the cartridge, so your MSX sound has no hum's.
It uses CF card, which isn't the most modern solution, but you can use a CF-to-MicoSD to solve that.
For the money, that one is the best buy on 8bits4ever.net

The most popular expansion cartridge is the MegaFlashrom SCC+SD 512kb, sold on msxcartridgeshop.com
It has fewer options, is in comparison more expensive with less sound expansions, but can run Konami games the best.
It's popularity is due to it being the longest available for the MSX scene. It uses microSD cards and also uses the Nextor DOS.

If you look on msxinfo.net, then you probably don't need to convert tape games to SD cart.

Like said above, programming languages are plenty, for MSX-BASIC you don't need anything extra, just to save your files.
For C, PASCAL and assembly you need additional programs to compile, assemble and write them.
Also cross-development is a possibility, like SDCC, tniASM, GLASS etc etc, you program and compile on your PC and you use for instance GR8NET to transfer the file to the MSX and test it, or you use openMSX, the best MSX emulator at the moment, to test your program directly.

Hope you have a small start now and have fun! :)

By Hit-Biter

Rookie (30)

Аватар пользователя Hit-Biter

02-11-2018, 12:27

Thanks for the advice guys, Its exciting times for the MSX it seems. I'm also trying to track down a Sony FDD to go with my MSX. Id love to get my hands on one so long as its not too expensive ! I cant afford a LOT of cash on old electronics after all ! Its just not sensible. Also if I want to study or edit existing software, with a mind to learning programming, how can i identify the games programming language ? For instance my first ever game for the MSX was Blagger by Alagata. What i would like to do for it and ANY game i own is to list the code and learn it so that i could make a new level perhaps or make an expansion or make my own game with a similar theme. I love text adventures and Level 9 were a big part of my childhood. I would like to be able to read there code and maybe make my own version. I want to be able to see the code of popular games so that i can learn from those examples and in time make my own magic happen.

By CASDuino

Expert (100)

Аватар пользователя CASDuino

02-11-2018, 12:35

If you don't have much cash but enjoy tapes then maybe a CASDuino? They load CAS files from an SD card just the same way you would load from a tape except you can change the speed so that they load faster.
You can either build your own or buy one ready assembled.

By Wolverine_nl

Paragon (1037)

Аватар пользователя Wolverine_nl

02-11-2018, 12:39

Hi,
Allot of games were written in assembly, disassembling these is a work on it's own, because it is assembled, meaning, it is made so the MSX can execute it, this mostly means it isn't readable anymore.

Programs/games made in MSX-BASIC are readable, but most commercial games are not written in this language, because it lacks the speed and complexity needed for certain games.

There is a well known MSX game disassembled and edited back to something we can understand and learn from, it is Metal Gear, you can find the thread here about it.
It looks complex, it is made by one of the better game development teams from that era.
Also note that MSX-BASIC looks nothing like assembly or C.
For a beginner it is wise to start with MSX-BASIC, there are allot of games you can type in or find that are made with MSX-BASIC.
Right after you know the basics of BASIC oO it is wise to read about assembly z80 and how that works, don't skip chapters on that, otherwise things will not make any sense. Keep in mind that then you are directly programming into the cpu and vdp of the MSX, there are no filters or so.

Good Luck, and if you have questions, you can always ask here, people will help you, but also...google is (in this case) your friend.

By skumlerud

Resident (39)

Аватар пользователя skumlerud

02-11-2018, 13:56

Hit-Biter wrote:

I'm also trying to track down a Sony FDD to go with my MSX. Id love to get my hands on one so long as its not too expensive !

I know about one for sale, send me a mail (see profile) and I'll forward your contact info to the seller.

By Hit-Biter

Rookie (30)

Аватар пользователя Hit-Biter

02-11-2018, 21:53

Hi Wolverine, Just want to ask what books, magazines etc you recommend for listings i can type in ? Ive got a few lying about somewhere but maybe there's an archive online now i can access ? Thanks for the help and previous comment.

Moi Dag

Doi

By Hit-Biter

Rookie (30)

Аватар пользователя Hit-Biter

02-11-2018, 22:04

Hi CASDuino,

Would be interested in finding out more about the CASDuino. Is there kits to buy or a list of parts to purchase so that i may solder the components together myself ? What about the actual PCB ? Can i use a breadboard ? Please if you have any further information let me know. Thanks.

By CASDuino

Expert (100)

Аватар пользователя CASDuino

03-11-2018, 13:25

There is my blog but the instructions really need to be updated.

Here.

Breadboard is perfect for it. I use veroboard for the ones I build.

List of parts is easy
Arduino Nano
LCD1602
SD card reader for Arduino
LM386 amplifier
5 tactile buttons (6 for a reset button)
1 3.5mm mono audio socket
1 2.5mm mono audio socket
The usual assortment of wires and pins

By Manuel

Ascended (15754)

Аватар пользователя Manuel

04-11-2018, 12:13

The machine is a Sony HB-75B?

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